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Grumpy and Grouchy Reflect On Beeing beBee Brand Ambassadors…

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Jim Murray, Strategist, Writer
& beBee Brand Ambassador

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This is the 23rd edition of this column by Phil Friedman and myself, and it’s a bit of an auspicious occasion insofar as Phil has recently been named a beBee Ambassador.
Anyone who follows Phil knows that he is not only an outstanding writer and communicator but his is one of those people with a very low B/S tolerance. So I that kind of got me wondering, what, if anything about Phil’s approach here on beBee would change as a result of this appointment.

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JIM:
Well, Phil, it’s been a long time coming but the big bees have finally decided to make you an ambassador. Not that you haven’t actually been one, at least in spirit, since the get go last spring when we all arrived from the shores of the Lumpy Kingdom, loaded for bear.
In my opinion and, don’t get a swelled head over this, you have actually exemplified, probably more than anyone, what it really means to be a bee.
There are a number of people out there who would definitely find you an acquired taste, because a lot of social media seems to be about beating around the bush, political correctness and not ruffling any feathers. You have, IMO, elevated feather ruffling to a fine art. And when you look at the numbers you pull and the engagement you generate, you can see that there is no shortage of people here who appear to genuinely appreciate stuff that’s considerably edgier than a dull butter knife.
We both spent most of 2015 raging against the machine over in the Lumpy Kingdom. It wasn’t so much that we felt we could win. It was really more about the gestalt of venting and letting our feelings be known in ways that were true to our own individual approaches.
After moving my blogging HQ to beBee and then being appointed an ambassador myself, a lot of people told me that they thought I had kind of re-invented myself. Mostly because I no longer had a machine to rage against, so to speak. I don’t feel this personally, but then it’s a hard thing to recognize at the best of times.
But, for me, it really begs the question of how you are feeling about your recent appointment to beBee ambassador. Is this going to change you, and if so, how do you think that might manifest?
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PHIL:
Not to be — heaven forbid — contrary, that’s three questions, Jimbo. But who’s really counting?
Beyond that, please don’t take offense, but I don’t really see it as a big deal.
For to see it as such is to imply that I and my writing are big deals. Which I am not, and which my writing is not. It’s all simply what it is. And nothing really changes because of being given a key to the ambassadorial restroom.
I know that statement will not necessarily make me more friends or influence other bees, but that’s never stopped me before from putting my foot in it, and I doubt it ever will.
Anyway, for the record, I was initially conflicted.
On the one hand, I’d be dishonest to say that the recognition was not welcome. But, on the other hand, I had to think long and hard about the possibility that, if I accepted, I would lose — at least in my own eyes — what I felt was my objectivity when it came to viewing beBee for what it is, what it can become, and what it should become.
Then I thought, “Oh, just get the f@#k over yourself.” Which I did. And which brings us here to where we are.
To quote, John White, MBA, the core activities of beBee Brand Ambassadors are, “… writing great articles, sharing content, starting discussions, welcoming users, promoting beBee on social media …”
That’s pretty much what I’ve been doing since you and I first interviewed Javier about beBee in an installment of this very series on LinkedIn nearly a year ago. And that’s what I’ll continue to do, ambassador label notwithstanding.
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JIM:
OK so you’re just gonna keep on being yourself. Me too. But you have to admit that has been one of the things that has gotten you into some hot water. By that I mean, rubbed some people the wrong way.
So, that really begs another question or three. Like, are you going to factor that into posts or comments you see as ‘insipid’. Or will you just choose to pass on those? Or do you even think that is a relevant issue?
I know for a fact (hindsight 20/20) that when I was made an Ambassador, one of the first things that occurred to me was that I would have to be a bit more ‘conservative’ in my posts and comments. This was mainly because I wasn’t sure how the designation was viewed by other people.
Some people actually told me they thought that being an Ambassador was elitist and akin to being an Influencer over in the Lumpy Kingdom. I devoted an entire post to making sure people understood that was not the case.
But perception, in many cases, is reality and I have definitely found myself being a little less wild and wooly in the opinion department, least here on beBee. On Facebook, not so much.
So just wondering if, somewhere in the back of your mind you’re feeling twinges of the same thing now.
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PHIL:
Now, that question moves us into an area of sober discussion.
My view of the landscape of social media is significantly colored by my exposure as an undergraduate to the work of social philosopher, Eric Hoffer. Hoffer identified groups in society which he called “counter-elites”, who oppose those whom they perceive to be existing elites. However, counter-elites do not oppose elitism per se, but simply want to take the places of current elites.
I found on LinkedIn that many who criticized the Influencer system there were really only pissed off because they felt locked out of becoming Influencers themselves. And that when the Unfluencers ™ group was founded by Jeffrey Strickland and Debesh Choudhury, many who joined were not so much dedicated to the lofty principles laid out for the group, but were really seeking a counter-elite label to use.
As you (and Javier and John White) well know, I’ve several times criticized the Ambassador program ― mostly because I’ve thought it de facto exhibited too much activity in self- and mutual-promotion on beBee, when it should have been concentrating, to my mind, on off-platform marketing of the sort you do regularly on LinkedIn. Having voiced those criticisms, and after accepting the Ambassador designation, I naturally wondered whether I would (not should) soften my critical views in area.
Well, neither my friends, nor my detractors need worry. I ain’t changin’ nuttin.
For I believe that people can embrace and work toward a common goal without being like-minded and without giving up their individuality. And because I believe further that there is strength in diversity.
It’s like the difference in attitude between the U.S. military leaders and those of Israel. U.S. military training often proceeds by way of breaking down individualism, then rebuilding its soldiers as a uniform corps. In contrast, the Israeli military believes in building upon the stubborn individualism of its people.
This, BTW, is not intended as a political statement, only as an observation of fact in the service of illustrating my point.
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JIM:
Well that certainly qualifies as a classic Phil Friedman response. And it kind of brings to mind something I heard Hillary Clinton say in the election campaign and one of the main mantras of our own devilishly handsome Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.
Both were talking about what made their countries great, and while I have learned my lesson about speaking for Americans, I can honestly tell you that diversity: racial, religious, philosophical and attitudinal are what makes Canada great.
The same can be applied to beBee and its ambassadors. Part of the reason, I assume, they have been chosen is their individuality and their belief in diversity of opinion. I would also like to think that another part is their ability to promote beBee across their networks.
As you point out, promoting beBee here on beBee is tantamount to singing to the choir and really kind of useless. I’m sincerely hoping that all the ambassadors have a bit of that promotional ability. Part of what I’m doing is trying to make it easy for them to have interesting and intriguing promotional to spread around, if they don’t feel comfortable creating it themselves.
I’m not really sure how well its working. But John White keeps telling me to keep it up, and Javier reposts the hell out of my stuff. So that’s encouraging. And now that you have joined the ranks, there will most assuredly be another very powerful voice emanating from beBee out into the social media world.
I see the same potential in beBee that you do. And lord knows we both want it to work. And it very much feels like it is. But like any complex product out in the marketplace, it’s the users who will ultimately dictate what kind of site this will be.
Our job is to make sure that we paint a clear picture of what beBee can mean to them. Because that’s the one question that everybody will be asking.

Post Script: About the same time that Phil and I started working on this post Juan Imaz published an excellent positioning statement article for beBee. If you really want to understand beBee;s strategy and that advantages it offers to its members, this article is an absolute must to read.
https://www.bebee.com/producer/@juan-imaz/bebee-the-platform-to-create-showcase-and-share-your-personal-brand#c4

Other articles in this series can be viewed at https://www.bebee.com/@jim-murray

And, as always comments, relevants and shares are always welcome and appreciated.

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Comments

Kevin Pashuk

7 years ago #35

Interesting discussion. While some beBee Ambassadors seem to excel at generating buzz by reposting, both of you are prolific producers of highly readable posts. While beBee finds its feet in the English speaking world (the growth is small compared to the Spanish language side), just keep doing what you do. Occasionally, I may even agree with you.

Phil Friedman

7 years ago #34

#64
Ah, the prospect of a new Soviet Union ... with US as the satellite. It must bring a smile to the face of Puta ... er, Putin. :-)

Phil Friedman

7 years ago #33

#61
Chas, at my house, we consider geckos our friends and guests. They eat bugs. To wit: "Florida has several lizard species that are easy to find and interesting to watch. Geckos are so common in buildings in South Florida that they are called ‘house lizards.’ " ( http://www.wildflorida.com/florida_lizards.php ). As to salmonella, most wild lizards carry the bacteria, which is one reason why we give our dogs shots known as "Lepto" vaccinations. Not only do we have an abundance of geckos around our place, but we also have iguanas, some of which measure more than 4 feet from nose to tip of tail. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

7 years ago #32

#49
There you go again , Jimbo, that's THREE things, not two.

Phil Friedman

7 years ago #31

#57
Yes, Gerald, but did you know that the little lizard withe the Aussie accent carries salmonella, and the "Geico" stands for "government employees insurance company"?

Phil Friedman

7 years ago #30

#50
Yea, well I don't like "Nobody" anyway, Jim Murray is another matter altogether. :-)

Jim Murray

7 years ago #29

#45
Nobody likes a smartass Phil Friedman

Jim Murray

7 years ago #28

#42
Thanks \ud83d\udc1d Fatima Williams. I think that two of the things we have going for us is that we both like and respect each other. and we are both professional writers and have both been blogging since god was a kid so we are very comfortable in this medium,

Jim Murray

7 years ago #27

#46
debasish majumder. First of all, I don't and never have considered myself a star of anything. Secondly I have met with a number of bees in my area. Thirdly, I run a consultancy that requires me to be in my area most of the time, On top of that I'm not too crazy about International travel, since I did enough of that when I was younger. Finally my Skype handle is at the bottom of every post I publish. If anyone wants to meet with me, they can always message me with their Skype handle and we can meet. I have done this a number of times and it's a great way to get to know people.

Phil Friedman

7 years ago #26

#43
Thanks, Don. Forsayong so. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

7 years ago #25

#42
Thank you, Fatima, very kind of you to include Jim in that comment. :-)

Pascal Derrien

7 years ago #24

ah true Don \ud83d\udc1d Kerr drank it :-)

don kerr

7 years ago #23

#1
Pascal Derrien to secure a recommendation on some pharmacological means to retrieve what I was thinking before... Sorry, lost track there. Um. Oh yeah. Here's the most unsurprising sentence in G&G's article: "Well, neither my friends, nor my detractors need worry. I ain’t changin’ nuttin." Nor should you Phil Friedman

🐝 Fatima G. Williams

7 years ago #22

Jim Murray I like you guys the way you are. Your forte is your uniqueness. Haven't seen anyone like either one of you so Keep rocking and Thank you 🤗#beBeesforever

Jim Murray

7 years ago #21

Thanks guys. I have very little work to do here, as you folks are all entertaining each other. I love it.

Julio Angel 🐝Lopez Lopez

7 years ago #20

If it's better, it's always good. :)

Devesh 🐝 Bhatt

7 years ago #19

#35
the evolution is mutual and desirable for now :)

Julio Angel 🐝Lopez Lopez

7 years ago #18

I'm still evolving. From the laziness of Paul Walters passing through the 49 leo parallel (in English is what I understand best and if not translator) very interesting reflections. In the end, the conclusion is personal as in each bee ... Bebe That cost me 0 What money do you ask me 0 What money do you give me 0 Maybe 1% but if it was 0 would be 0 (hopefully, many zeros but accompanied) I get job offers Yes My chances grow Evolution Yes Really as ambassador, does not change my actions, I am only aware that I have more responsibility, I evolve. I thank you all for helping me to evolve.

Paul Walters

7 years ago #17

Jim Murray Hmm interesting thoughts here. Me? Well Bali is so laid back that sloth has become a national pastime. However as an ' ambassador' Im thinking with a population in this country of 300 million and its become Facebook's biggest market plus a billion tweets a day are sent out, there has to be a market here! So, I guess I will just try and send out the word anyway I can. Gosh I dont do much else

Devesh 🐝 Bhatt

7 years ago #16

As far as promotions are concerned, you people know it better. LinkedIn is going down, Bebee can fill the void and expand the very parameters of social engagement, simply because it's basic, natural and unchained. There is a collective effort towards quality content which shows, the list of proposed improvements are practical, the only thing holding it back is the fact that people are habituated to LinkedIn, so a person who makes a new profile starts with LinkedIn, say a self employed or a College grad in India starts with LinkedIn and finds it easier to save the same link at jobsites and business sites. A lot of suppressed people out here, Bebee can be liberating to many professionals :) after a threshold Indian users will flood this site.

Phil Friedman

7 years ago #15

#31
Yes, I agree with you, Chas. By making too much of the event, IMO, we make too much of ourselves. Just as by talking overly much about what a honor it is, we imply how worthy of being honored we are. I may be vain, but I ain't delusional.

Jim Murray

7 years ago #14

#16
Thanks Gerald Hecht. I'm trying to help all the other ambassadors promote so that there will bve some synergy, which actually makes every single piece that much more effective.

Jim Murray

7 years ago #13

#18
Dwarves, John, Dwarves.

Jim Murray

7 years ago #12

#12
Thanks . Yeah we are all moved in. Our sale in Toronto closes on Monday, which means we can stop paying the bank and all that other good stuff. We took the last major load of boxes to the recycling centre on Thursday. We actually just sort of goofed off today for the first time since November. it's a relief.

Milos Djukic

7 years ago #11

Dear members. I will copy here my "original" comment again from post by Juan Imaz. It's ME who aspires to become WE, effortlessly and seamlessly. In doing so, ME remains authentic and effortlessly united with WE. It is a social transformation that will change the reality and lives of all of us for the better. This is the process, but not like Kafka's process. What is important is the time. This is more like the creation of a new value by WE and not just a personal brand or promotion by itself. Future leadership is about social complexity with a growing trend of social encounters and exchanges. You are the one and we'll be back. Best Regards, Milos

Phil Friedman

7 years ago #10

#12
Thank you, David. I agree that "civility" is the watchword. And I have come to believe that the "test" is to be civil even to those whose views one doesn't respect. We are all growing day by day, me too. Cheers, my friend.

Phil Friedman

7 years ago #9

#9
Yes, Graham, there is. Need I explain the barnyard odors (whoops, odours) found there? TMI. ! :-)

David B. Grinberg

7 years ago #8

Thanks for an another interesting exchange, gentlemen. If nothing else, I agree with the "grumpy and grouchy" references (lol). On a more serious note, you both make excellent points about promoting beBee on other social platforms and about the importance of fostering diversity of opinion -- as opposed to "group think." On a more personal note: JIM, I hope you have finally completed your move and all those unpacked boxes are slowly disappearing. Also, there's a lovely historic town on Maryland's Eastern Shore called St. Michael's. Perhaps it's a distant relative of your new home town? http://www.stmichaelsmd.org/ PHIL: keep doing what you do, keep being you. Your unique perspectives and blunt insights/views/opinions are what make your posts so popular. I think as long as we foster civil discourse and mutual respect on the platform then one's personal and professional opinions should always be welcomed as a value added. But what rubs me the wrong way is when some bloggers here simply try to bait readers into online arguments which usually deteriorate toward the abyss. That is neither productive nor welcome IMHO -- and such a combination of cynicism and narcissism benefits no one, that is, except drawing attention to the flame thrower and subsequent conflagration he/she so unabashedly creates. YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE. Keep buzzing in 2017, Grumpy and Grouchy!

David B. Grinberg

7 years ago #7

Thanks for an another interesting exchange, gentlemen. If nothing else, I agree with the "grumpy and grouchy" references (lol). On a more serious note, you both make excellent points about promoting beBee on other social platforms and about the importance of fostering diversity of opinion -- as opposed to "group think." On a more personal note: JIM, I hope you have finally completed your move and all those unpacked boxes are slowly disappearing. Also, there's a lovely historic town on Maryland's Eastern Shore called St. Michael's. Perhaps it's a distant relative of your new home town? http://www.stmichaelsmd.org/ PHIL: keep doing what you do, keep being you. Your unique perspectives and blunt insights/views/opinions are what make your posts so popular. I think as long as we foster civil discourse and mutual respect on the platform then one's personal and professional opinions should always be welcomed as a value added. But what rubs me the wrong way is when some bloggers here simply try to bait readers into online arguments which usually deteriorate toward the abyss. That is neither productive nor welcome IMHO -- and such a combination of cynicism and narcissism benefits one one, that is except drawing attention to the flame thrower. Keep buzzing Grumpy and Grouchy!

Graham🐝 Edwards

7 years ago #6

Wait, wait... wait! There is an ambassador's restroom?! You two make me smarter every time I read... keep writing and I will keep reading. Thank you Jim Murray. As an aside, it is hard for me to be a contrarian with you two, but I will find something... eventually. lol

Phil Friedman

7 years ago #5

#7
The airwaves are publicly owned and air space, frequencies, are leased to broadcasters. Activity could therefore be regulated. The internet has overturned that, and it seems to me that the only viable controls are those resulting from a vigorous and thoroughly open ongoing discussion.

Pascal Derrien

7 years ago #4

#5
agree

Pascal Derrien

7 years ago #3

#3
and that's perfectly OK with me John, beBee is not a NGO :-)

Jim Murray

7 years ago #2

#1
Pascal Derrien...Hey, you weren't supposed to be telling anybody that stuff, man. Come on. Is nothing sacred?

Pascal Derrien

7 years ago #1

some common sense comments in this no thrill edition, some members of the platform need to stop fantasizing about the ambassadors and what it means or not.... OK I will share a secret with you since I have been appointed I have been lobotomized in as secret clinic in Spain, I wear a special badge, I can now speak 54 languages and write 60 articles a day and I attend midnight meetings in a cemetery with the team of ambassadors who all have 3 eyes.... I am dead serious I leave u to it folks as I need my pint of blood ssshhhhuuusssshhhhh

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