Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

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Maybe it's my inner Grouchy-Old-Man talking. 

Maybe my points are silly. 

Maybe they're profound. 

Whatever, this is how I feel. 

Yes, I see the irony in writing a post titled, "Nobody cares about your feelings," that is really my feelings on a subject. 

That's the point.

Three things happened lately that pissed me off. 

You may think me insensitive. 

You may think me unsympathetic. 

You may think me unaccommodating.

No, what I am is realistic.

Besides, I don't care. 


Thing #1: An assault on a culture

Lately, my wife has been binge-watching "Switched at Birth." For those of you who don't know the show, it follows two girls who were. . . wait for it . . . switched at birth. Lord knows how a Latina couple could think that their so-white-she's-transparent, red-haired daughter (Daphne) could actually be their biological daughter. 

The Kennishes are similarly clueless. Their daughter (Bay or Bey, who knows, who cares?) doesn't fit their family mold either.

None of that is my point.

One of the episodes my wife watched had a bizarre plot. There was a themed costume party in a college dorm. The theme was to dress like your favorite recording artist. Seems tame enough, right?

A white guy dressed like Lil' Wayne. A black girl dressed like Madonna.

"So what?" you may say. I would agree.

In the show, the guy was flamed for making fun of black culture. Really? Lil' Wayne is "black culture?"

The silliness doesn't stop there. A review board was called to determine if the guy should be chucked out of the dorm. It's when that board said, "No," that I got hot under the collar. It wasn't because they determined that the guy should not be thrown out. It was because another character "no longer felt safe" living in that dorm. 

She moved out.

Where she chooses to live is her right, her choice. Blaming that choice on how someone else made her feel is asinine. Expecting the world to adapt to her is more asinine still.

Scoop: The world doesn't work that way.

FYI: No one flamed the black girl dressed as Madonna.

You own your feelings. You decide what you feel. We are not responsible for them, nor are we obligated to cater to them. They're yours and yours alone.

Thing #2: Harass? My A$$

I overheard this conversation in a waiting room. It wasn't so much that I was eavesdropping. The women talking were seated right across from me. I changed the names and translated from the original French.

Woman 1: Last week, John asked me out.

Woman 2: John? That guy you work with?

Woman 1: Yes. We were talking about "Thor: Ragnarok" in the break room. He asked me if I'd like to go to dinner then to the movie.

Woman 2: What did you say?

Woman 1: I said, "No." I mean, we work together. I thought maybe I would feel awkward if we went on a date.

Woman 2: You should report him to HR! That's sexual harassment!

Woman 1: Maybe you're right. Now, I feel awkward in the break room. I'm having lunch at my desk.

Woman 2: OMG! That's horrible. Report him!

At this point, I exercised my Old-Fart Privileges and butted in.

Me: Sorry, but would you like a man's viewpoint on this?

Woman 1: Okay

Me: Is John in a position of power over you at work?

Woman 1: No. We're at the same level and he works in another department.

Me: Was John insistent, persistent, angry, or aggressive? 

Woman: No, he accepted my refusal calmly. He looked disappointed but not angry. 

Woman 2: That doesn't matter! She feels awkward.

Me: (To Woman 1, Ignoring Woman 2) Does this lady work with you?

Woman 1: No, we're friends.

Me: Yet she knows about John. I assume then that you've mentioned him before? To me, that implies some sort of attraction. Are you and John both single?

Woman 2: That doesn't matter! She FEELS awkward.

Woman 1: Yes, yes, and yes, there does seem to be an attraction. It's mutual.

Me: So what's the problem?

Woman 2: ARE YOU DENSE? SHE FEELS AWKWARD!

Me: (To Woman 2) That has nothing to do with John. That's all on her (Woman 1). John did absolutely nothing wrong. A proposition is only harassment if there's an "or else" component to it. That "or else" can be physical, professional, persistent, or just implied. There's no "or else" here. He asked. She answered. He accepted and respected her answer. What's the problem?

When I first started out, things were simpler. It was enough to know that "harass" was one word, not two. Things are quite a bit more complicated now. 

Still, the basic idea remains unchanged. 

Asking a woman out is not harassment. For that matter, asking her for a roll in the hay isn't harassment either. Crude, yes. Inappropriate, yes. Harassment? No.

Harassment comes from an "or else." That "or else" may be implicit, implied or just possible/potential. A manager asking a subordinate on a date creates an "or else" even if his/her intentions are completely honorable.

There was no harassment here. If anything, reporting John would be harassing him.

You own your feelings. You decide what you feel. We are not responsible for them, nor are we obligated to cater to them.  They're yours and yours alone.

Thing #3: Beware the bearded man

In the spirit of Movember, I'm growing a beard. Okay, for me it's more like Snow-vember. My beard has more white in it than the black it had yesteryear. I don't know if I'll keep it. (Probably not, my wife is not a fan of beards)

That's not the point.

Yesterday, I was in the checkout line at the supermarket. There was a fifty-ish woman ahead of me.

She kept throwing me furtive glances.

I thought my fly was down. It wasn't. My checking it probably did nothing to ease her apprehension. She grew more furtive, more apprehensive by the second.

After several minutes of sideways glances, I couldn't take it anymore, "Excuse me, Madame. Have I done something to bother you?"

"No," she answered, "I feel uncomfortable around bearded men. Why do you need to hide behind a beard?"

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? Who was hiding? I may be an introvert, but I'm not shy. I don't hide from nuthin' or nobody! 

I still believe in Old School chivalry. The fact that a woman was afraid of me boggled my mind. I felt insulted but know enough that that is my problem, not hers.

If you feel Old School chivalry is sexist, kindly refer to this post's title.

"It's the Movember thing. I don't like mustaches so I let my beard grow instead. It's to raise awareness of Men's Health issues."

She visibly relaxed. 

I guess my temporary beard made me only temporarily dangerous/evil/sinister.

You own your feelings. You decide what you feel. We are not responsible for them, nor are we obligated to cater to them.  They're yours and yours alone.

Are they feelings or just whims?

Really, I'm asking. 

An acquaintance refuses to ride in a white car because he doesn't feel safe in them. Seriously? Since when is a color dangerous? Are white cars inherently more prone to being in accidents? I would think the driver is more of a factor than the car's color.

No one can make you feel anything. That's on you. You decide how you react to any given stimulus. 

If I come at you with a knife, I might make you feel afraid. I might also trigger extreme reflexive anger with accompanying violence aimed at me, the aggressor. You decide. I don't.

It's a fight-or-flight thing. These "feelings" are flight.

Here's the rock-bottom, cold-hard, truth. 

No one cares about your feelings, with the possible exception of your therapist. They're your feelings. You created them. You nurture them. You let them torture you. They will exist only so long as you decide they will exist. They will cease to exist when you decide they no longer exist.

That's on you. You need to deal with them, not us. 

You feel unsafe when there is nothing to feel unsafe about? Deal with it.

You feel awkward in the break room? Deal with it.

You feel afraid because I have a beard? Deal with it.

You feel unsafe in a white car? Deal with it.

Don't expect us to cater to your self-imposed fears and limits. We just don't care. 

We have our own self-imposed fears and limits to deal with.

RANT MODE OFF

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Comments

David B. Grinberg

6 years ago #42

Paul, a couple of points about sexual harassment per your statements above: First, the “or else” situation you describe is called “quid pro quo” sexual harassment. A male boss ask a subordinate for sexual favors in exchange for job advancement or something else. Second, the other type of sexual harassment is called “hostile work environment” and its possible to run afoul of U.S. law with one egregious act. But the act must be so egregious it automatically crosses the legal threshold. An example could be unwanted grabbing or touching. However, you’re correct in the example cited about asking a female coworker on a date. That one ask does not constitute sexual harassment, even if it makes the woman feel awkward. Yet if the male coworker persisted in this wanted action then it could be construed as creating a sexually hostile work environment. Therefore, you make a good point. Also, the law works both ways regardless of gender and there have been rare cases where a male subordinate is sexually harassed by a female boss — like in the 1994 movie “Disclosure” with Demi Moore and Michael Douglas.

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

6 years ago #41

#52
Lisa \ud83d\udc1d Gallagher My neighbors better not peer into my windows. I don't own a robe. Sometimes I even walk around a la Winnie the Pooh, but not often... drafty

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

6 years ago #40

#50
LOL, That's like the right butt cheek telling the left, "Is it me or does something stink between us?"

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

6 years ago #39

#49
It's only harassment with the other side minds LOL

Lisa Gallagher

6 years ago #38

#40
omg, thats hysterical Paul! I swear I had a neighbor like that. She would report to my other neighbors that she worried about me because I was up so late at night walking around in my pink robe. At least she didn't say naked. Nevermind that she was up late peering in my windows ha ha

Fancy J London

6 years ago #37

#40
Dying on the floor laughing!!!

Fancy J London

6 years ago #36

Great Post! Vent Paul, VENT!!! Some people just have that gift of self affliction wedging things between their butt cheeks enough to cause great irritation for everyone they come in contact with, as they point blame at someone else for putting it there in the first place. (rolling my eyes around)

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

6 years ago #35

#47
LOL, thanks, Pam. I don't really look "adorable" with a beard. Right now I sort of look like a wino.

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

6 years ago #34

#45
LOL, another "Modern Family" fan!

Wayne Yoshida

6 years ago #33

BTW -- Doesn't Santa Claus have a beard? Christmas must be very sad for that person. Maybe something bad happened in her childhood at Christmas? WTF, Why The Face indeed....

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

6 years ago #32

#42
You're very welcome, Jerry Fletcher

Jerry Fletcher

6 years ago #31

Paul, Thank you! You made my day. Although there was a laugh in there I can say that there is more than a grain of truth on what the world has come to. As a speaker who can get passionate about Networking and Brand and Trust Based business development I often warn audiences that, "I've been told by some folks that I'm not socially correct. Some of what I have to say may offend some of you. But it will be the truth as I see it. If I piss you off, so be it. If I make some of you laugh with my observations that is okay by me. No matter what reaction you have you'll come out of here better off if you own your feelings. Ain't it great to get to the age where you really don't give damn what others think of you!

Robert Cormack

6 years ago #30

Ah, well, Kevin Pashuk, I had a sneaking suspicion nobody was thinking about me at all when I was constantly asked who I was and why was I hanging around the halls. Once they discovered I'd been working there 3 years, I ceased being a topic of conversation entirely—until it was decided I could be bluffing. When they found out I wasn't bluffing, I ceased being a topic of conversation entirely because I was boring. I've since told everyone I'm bluffing.#38

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

6 years ago #29

#36
LOL, that reminds of the old joke about a woman who called the police because her male neighbor walked around in the nude. When the Cops came, all they saw was a waist-up view. When questioned, the woman answered, "Yes, but if you stand on the kitchen counter, lean out holding the light fixture for balance, while holding this mirror over your head, you can see his junk!"

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

6 years ago #28

#37
LMAO

Kevin Pashuk

6 years ago #27

#34
Robert... so you reached the age where you don't care what people think about you anymore. I hear the next milestone is when you realize they were never thinking about you at all. I have hit that milestone.

Kevin Pashuk

6 years ago #26

#33
It's a good thing that this wasn't on the menu with the chicken breasts... https://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/spotted-dick-103210

Wayne Yoshida

6 years ago #25

#32
#33 -- This is a very touchy area in our post Anita Hill era. Many years ago, three of us guys in the sales dept were called into HR one day. We were being accused for harassment because of our "locker room" jokes and stories. The accuser was in a cubicle adjacent to mine. We immediately changed our location for these discussions. . . . and the accuser **followed** us and reported us again, saying she could still hear our stories and jokes. I caught her one day standing on her chair so she could eavesdrop. . . and then reported her to HR. All charges in our files were removed. She was sent to therapy and anger management sessions. Geeze.

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

6 years ago #24

#34
Thanks, Robert Cormack, that's high praise coming from you. . . Your posts are often funny as all get out

Robert Cormack

6 years ago #23

Good one, Paul \, lay your "grouch" out there, tackle those "feelings of awkwardness" and grow your beard. You and I are of that age when we really don't have to care anymore (although we do, or we wouldn't be writing about it). Thanks for the post.

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

6 years ago #22

#32
You said, "Good Morning?" How dare you, you PERVERT!!! LMFAO Sometimes, conversations can be taken out of context. In the restaurant, I once tossed 10kg of chicken breasts that were delivered that same day. I confronted the employee who signed for them telling her, "Check your breasts, please. Before you take anything in the back (I meant the fridge), make sure your breasts are clean and firm (chicken breasts). There should be no sliminess or any smell at all. Take one out (chicken again) and check if you have to. If you're not sure, come show them to me." An intern who overheard this freaked out. A good rule of thumb would be if the person spoken to doesn't seem threatened or harassed, you probably misunderstood.

Lisa Gallagher

6 years ago #21

I love your rants Paul \! You brought up a good point about the woman using the term "sexual harassment" & told her friend to "report him to HR" with the culture we are facing today. No, he should not be reported and NO that is not harassment! I had a boss once who used to come into my office and he would start trying to rub my back and shoulders. I wasn't comfortable with that and would say, "Knock it off Bryan!" He would back up, and say to me... what.. whaaa, you don't like that?" My reply, NO, I don't want your grubby hands on me. He did this more than once and the more I spoke out to him, the worse he treated me as an employee. I never once thought of reporting him, I felt I was able to stand my ground. I would just categorize him as a womanizer back then and a creep lol. Oddly, his wife divorced him, I wonder why?? I wasn't the only one he did that to. I did have a point to make above, I fear women may report every incident as sexual harassment if they feel they can. Yes, report if if you've truly been sexually harassed but don't cry wolf. As for Movember, Ok, looking to see if your fly was down, I literally laughed. People can be so anal... seriously, not comfortable with a beard? My husband and son are both participating in Movember too.. this is my son's third year, husbands first year. Kudos to you for participating too. My husband looks like a grubby mountain man right now haha. But, it's for a very good cause. For those that aren't aware, Movember is to raise awareness for suicide prevention and mental health issues in men. They grow mustaches and beards. Mustache in particular but many grow beards along with the mustache. KUDOS Men!!

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

6 years ago #20

#28
Don't get me started on gender agnostic pronouns. They are probably the silliest idea I ever heard, and I've heard some doozies. Bizarre Ideas are like hemorrhoids. Sooner or later every asshole gets one.

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

6 years ago #19

#26
Brian McKenzie, you make me feel old. In 1975, I just graduated high school and starting (don't laugh people) pre-med

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

6 years ago #18

#24
Thanks, Charlene Norman. I was never comfortable writing rants until Jimbo convinced me it was Okay if done with some humor. You got yourself a great partner there.

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

6 years ago #17

#21
I dunno if it was playing hard to get, or just a good judge of character. I was 40 freshly divorced, and just ended a "relationship" with a 22-year-old. Okay, so I was a stereotype. My wife is actually 3 years older than me. . . Now that I said that publicly, I doubt I will ever get any older. Send chocolates in lieu of flowers to my funeral. Note to recently divorced men: Better a 20-year-old single malt than a 20-year-old girlfriend.

Phil Friedman

6 years ago #16

I think I know where you're coming from on this, Paul \. I remember overhearing the following conversation: #1 - I hate this damned computer, it keeps losing its connection to the office WiFi network. #2 - Why don't you talk to George in the IT department? I'm sure he'll know how to fix the problem. #1 - I would, except George creeps me out. He always makes fun of me, even calls me "computer illiterate" -- he and his nerdy geek buddies in that department. They make me feel stupid, just because at one time I thought "binary" was a designation of sexual orientation. #2 - Wow, that's awful. Did you report the problem to HR? Isn't digital harassment against company policy? #1 - I did once. But they asked me whether George had ever flashed me his drive -- or something like that. Or asked me if I really wanted to see what a terabyte-sized drive looked like. How gross! I refuse to go back to those beasts in IT. Nowadays, I just eat lunch at my desk, while I reboot my computer and ... shove my sandwich scraps into the slot on the front marked with a storage icon. No offense intended to any gender, confused or otherwise. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

6 years ago #15

I think I know where you're coming from on this, Paul \. I remember overhearing the following conversation: #1 - I hate this damned computer, it keeps losing its connection to the office WiFi network. #2 - Why don't you talk to George in the IT department? I'm sure he'll know how to fix the problem. #1 - I would, except George creeps me out. He always makes fun of me, even calls me "computer illiterate" -- he and his nerdy geek buddies in that department. They make me feel stupid, just because at one time I thought "binary" was a designation of sexual orientation. #2 - Wow, that's awful. Did you report the problem to HR? Isn't digital harassment against company policy? #1 - I did once. But they asked me whether George had ever flashed me his drive -- or something like that. Or asked me if I really wanted to see what a terabyte-sized drive looked like. How gross! I refuse to go back to those beasts in IT. Nowadays, I just eat lunch at my desk, while I reboot my computer and ... shove my sandwich scraps into the slot of the front. No offense intended to any gender, confused or otherwise. Cheers!

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

6 years ago #14

#15
LMAO... it sure does

Harvey Lloyd

6 years ago #13

#14
I thought a dose of whining would add to the storyline

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

6 years ago #12

#12
Love and caring is fine. But ... really

Harvey Lloyd

6 years ago #11

Ok i think i have found a discerning sympathetic voice for current social ills. Jion me in the great discussion:)

Harvey Lloyd

6 years ago #10

I came to beBee to find some love and caring people and now i learn that someone has feelings like this????? I LMO, note to self if looking for sympathy its not at address Paul \ it must be across the street. Thanks great thoughts.

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

6 years ago #9

#9
Yeah, well, I figured a conversation was better than giving them a smack upside the head. Actually, Randall Burns, I'm glad everybody is taking this in the sense I intended it... as funny

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

6 years ago #8

#7
I agree completely, Ren\u00e9e \ud83d\udc1d Cormier. To me, excessive persistence is a form of "or else" as in "Or else I'll make fun of you", "Or else you must be a lesbian (taht one always makes me laugh", Or else I'll pester you until the second coming (or first depending on your beliefs). Truth be told, I asked my current wife out four times before she agreed. They were spread over several weeks, so I don't think I was too persistent. The mutual attraction was obvious so I didn't back off completely. That was 19 years ago and we're still together so I assume it doesn't qualify as harassment. I actually feel sorry for "John." He read the signals right. The attraction was there, he must have been confused. I also feel sorry for Woman #1. She let her over-thinking squash something that may have blossomed into something more. Woman #2 was just strange to me

Randall Burns

6 years ago #7

LMFAO! HilariousPaul \ Thoroughly enjoyed that. I have to say that when I first read "I exercised my Old-Fart Privileges ", I was expecting a different line of action and have you ever noticed that there are NO white tractors or other white farm machinery? (But I'm sure that you really don't care how I feel and that's OK with me :-) )

Pascal Derrien

6 years ago #6

#2
effectivement la grande fete du slip acceuille les neuneus de tous les pays une grande internationale de la connerie comme aurait dit Coluche :-)

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

6 years ago #5

#4
Okay, Brian McKenzie, I'll bite. . . #DILLIGAF? Let me guess, "Do I look like I give a f$#%" ? If so, full agreement here

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

6 years ago #4

#3
Nothing, really, Cyndi wilkins. She obviously thought I was a complete moron. She just scowled and sat there pouting. I take it she was sure she was right and I was wrong. I mean, the nerve of the guy to ask her friend out. Hum, maybe there was something else at play here. Not that there's anything wrong with that (he said in his best Seinfeld voice)

Cyndi wilkins

6 years ago #3

Paul \...OMG! I love a good belly laugh that makes me pee a little;-) However, I FEEL a bit disappointed here...I was anticipating some sort of 'tail tucked between her legs' response from woman #2....Don't leave me sitting here on the edge of my seat... What the hell happened?!?!

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

6 years ago #2

#1
LOL, glad I could help, Pascal Derrien. Il y a beaucoup de gens qui se prennent trop au sérieux. Ils ne sont pas limités à nous les Québécois

Pascal Derrien

6 years ago #1

That was an entertaining read :-) I feel much better now :-)

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