The Successful Albeit Pretty Slimy Repositioning of Hillary Clinton
A couple days ago I wrote a post on Facebook. Guess you could call it a mini-rant. But there was a point to doing it.I have a few ‘friends’ on FB who are very conservative. One of them, in fact is actually in the game, not sure at exactly what level. But he’s there and pushing the conservative peanut up the hill in a country that’s primarily Liberal.
The point of the was to see if I could get anybody to disagree with me and give me some good reasons why they did.
Did it work? You be the judge.
My original post:
I watched the Anderson Cooper interview with Hillary Clinton, and all I could think was if that Hillary had shown up during the election, instead of the one fighting Puff the Magic Dragon, she would have been able to convince a lot more people that she was the better candidate.
But she got successfully repositioned by Russian hackers and Wikileaks. She wasn't willing to play at the guttersnipe level that Trump played at and she found out the hard way that civility now means fuck all in America. Bernie Sanders would have been miles ahead if he had thrown in with Clinton early on and they had been the ticket.
Then he would have been able to be highly influential in getting all the stuff he wanted and would not have to resort to writing a dumb ass book about it. Hillary Clinton got fucked over by her own party. By Sanders. By Trump. By the Russians. By Wikileaks. By the right wing media assholes and even the FBI. It was a total gang bang.
But the real victims here were the American people who have to suffer through all the bullshit Trump is creating and American democracy, which is just some ideology that everybody used to know. It's way beyond sad. The most important country in the world being run by the world's biggest asshole. Ironic.
This was my conservative friend’s response.
Of course, Hillary losing had nothing to do with her - or the fact she was the least popular Presidential candidate of all time. I read this today in "National Review”
You can read this article if you like. It’s really nothing more than an elaboration of the conservative viewpoint, which reinforces my friend’s argument that Hillary Clinton is amazingly unpopular, which you have to actually question when you look at the popular vote numbers.
I don’t really factor in the electoral college tally, which actually won the election for Trump. Mainly because I think this is not only an anachronism, but something that the Jared Kushner and his propellerhead team and the GOP could have very easily rigged, and have been accused of doing so.
But my original point was really about what should have happened,
and I actually thought would happen, which was a coalition between Clinton & Sanders. This would have forced the GOP to play fair and, I believe would have changed the outcome of this election for the better.
So my response back to my friend was:
As I thought I clearly pointed out, she was repositioned by all of these forces. Do you really think that people came to the conclusions about her without all this influence?
Sorry, but people have been manipulated into all kinds of shit because they are easy to manipulate. BTW: She did win the popular vote by 3 million.
So not everybody got sucked in, only the really addle-brained. After the fact analysis is wonderful, but it's mostly bullshit. You're a communications guy. You know perfectly well what happened here.
And he shot back.
Jim, please don't tell me what I know perfectly well. I believe Hillary was an awful candidate - yes, more awful than Trump. The Democrats and their supporters should be reflecting on what they did wrong, and stop whining and blaming everyone else.
But I got the last word.
We can agree to disagree on that one. On the downside, life would be a lot less interesting if she had gotten elected by the majority that voted for her. I totally agree with Trump that the election was rigged.
I don’t know what it is about conservatives these days. But they tend to make all these accusations, and their only rationale comes in the form of things like. “A lot of people have said”… or “Everybody knows” or “I really believe”.
This is all rhetoric that they have picked up from Trump, who is probably the most clueless president in the history of America. He is very fond of telling anyone who will listen that everybody thinks the same way he does. He has never actually quoted a specific source
nor has he ever really bothered to think about the ramifications of telling outright lies and contouring reality to fit his point of view.
And so what happens is that a culture springs up where innuendo, lies, bullshit, fabrication, and slander become OK, as long as it bolsters your argument.
So you can see that, in a climate like this, it’s very hard for people to actually listen and appreciate opposing points of view.
Donald Trump and the GOP won this election because they did a better job creating a negative persona of Hillary Clinton than the Democrats did of creating a negative persona of Trump.This Whole Thing Revolves Around Marketing
This effort was aided to a great degree by Russian hackers, Wikileaks, gerrymandering to manipulate the electoral college in swing states and the fact that the GOP has been working on creating a negative persona of Mrs. Clinton since she was the First Lady back in the 1990s.
All these tactics have been reported on and proven to be true. But nobody seems to give a shit, except for the recipient of all this corruption.
It is extremely difficult to know what’s true and not true about anyone. And the more public they are the more difficult a task this is.
I’m neither Democrat nor Republican. In fact, I’m not even a damn American. But what I have witnessed over the last two years in that country only says to me that their political system needs to be blown up and replaced with something that isn’t more than 200 years old.
That probably won’t happen, because anything powered by greed and corruption has a very large commitment to self-preservation.
Let’s just hope it doesn’t cause the US to be left behind as the world moves forward into a global entity.
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Harvey Lloyd
6 years ago #13
I really liked the add that popped up, Show your support for Democrat Women who are pro choice for governor, sign up. I guess through evolution we are no longer human but rather a group of words defined by media. What if called the add Human, American, willing to serve the people? Probably isn't a good brand, i guess. https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-and-Systems/Statistics-Trends-and-Reports/NationalHealthExpendData/downloads/highlights.pdf When Bernie was questioned on paying for national healthcare coverage he stated that if took 10-20% of the defense spending we could get healthcare for all America. Given expenditures for all healthcare being 3.2 trillion i would say that this is more spin than reality. But spin sells, Chas \u270c\ufe0f Wyatt and the article proves that like many other national issues that stay in the air for profit by a few the Trump debacle will prove to be a profitable wave to surf. Meanwhile in the rest of the world we are trying to manage mundane issues like taxes, health care costs and raising a family. But forgive me for highlighting these uneducated, deplorable positions.
Harvey Lloyd
6 years ago #12
Phil Friedman
6 years ago #11
, you know full well that I have the utmost respect for you. So please understand that I believe these were special, nay unique circumstances. Trump posed, indeed continues to pose, a grave threat to the survival of this Nation. And I personally believed that we could not afford the luxury of voting our respective consciences -- or personal likes, dislikes, or beliefs. In the most recent presidential election, there was only winning -- which meant keeping Trump out of office. I voted against Trump, which meant I had to vote for Clinton. Because, as I said earlier, any vote not for Clinton, even not voting, was a vote for Trump -- given what I could make of his "spoiler" strategy. And believe me, I take absolutely no pleasure in knowing I was right. Hopefully, the Nation will survive long enough to make a correction. Cheers!
David B. Grinberg
6 years ago #10
Phil Friedman one more thing. Hillary didn't want Bernie on "her" ticket and likely colluded with the DNC to rig the primary for herself. This also backfired by turning some Bernie voters away for her in the general election because she F---ed Bernie. Lastly, I live in Maryland which is about as far from a "swing state" as one can get. However, I would have voted for one of the two main candidates if I did live in a swing state where my vote would have mattered. Just saying.
David B. Grinberg
6 years ago #9
Phil Friedman
6 years ago #8
Jim, I see that there is someone among your readers who chose not to vote in the election but is content to click the negative button from the shadows. Fits and figures, I guess. Cheers!
Phil Friedman
6 years ago #7
David B. Grinberg
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Jim Murray
6 years ago #5
Phil Friedman. What do you know. A He Said He Said right here for everybody to read. Thanks for the commentary. I know as much about US politics as any Canadian who is paying attention. But the cons here are like the reps in the US. They do have a deep seeded emotional bias.
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