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This is the 18th post in a series that Phil Friedman and I started way back in the Lumpy Kingdom Days and have carried over to here. This is probably as opinionated as things get here on beBee. We apologize in advance for any egos that may bruised or sensibilities that may be offended, but if you want to make an omelette, you have to break a few eggs.

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Phone: 416 463-3475 + Email’ onandup3@gmail.com « Skype: imbobmur61JIM: I wrote a little post on BeBee on Monday announcing that Bernie Sanders would be speaking at the Democratic National Convention that night. It created a bit of controversy. Or let me rephrase that, the comments grew into a bit of controversy, because the post itself was quite benign.
All I did was point out that Bernie has to be pretty gracious to be showing up at all and supporting Clinton after getting screwed over the way he did by the party.
I know you saw it, Phil, because you were there with bells on, even going so far as to point out that one of the respondents may very well have been a Trump plant, subtly encouraging Bernie followers to abstain from voting, thereby splitting the vote and maybe handing the election to Trump.
A lot of the other comments had to do with choosing between the lesser of two evils in this election. So my question to you, Mr. Yankee Boat Boy, is how in the hell did your beloved country end up painting themselves in a corner like this?
Left to my own devices, words like hubris or apathy come to mind, but I know, or at least hope, there has to be more than that. Right?
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PHIL:
For the record, I am breaking a long-standing resolution of mine not to engage in political discussion on social media. I’ve always felt that, for the most part, the benefit/cost ratio of doing so is too low to make it worthwhile. However, this is an extraordinary time in U.S. politics, one that is, to my mind, so crucial to the future as to render silence impossible.
This is likely to be not only a lively discussion, but a lengthy one. So, let’s get one thing straight, right at the beginning. If the U.S. system were a parliamentary democracy, the Democrats and the other splinter parties, as well as groups of centrist Republicans would be scrambling to create a coalition government, that would rule by majority, and freeze the likes of Trump out.
However, the U.S. is not a parliamentary democracy, but rather a representative republic, whose president is elected by plurality to govern. And so, no matter if a majority opposes Trump’s election, should he garner the greatest number of electoral votes relative to other candidates, he will win.
Which is why I guarantee there are now Trump-camp agents provocateur all over social media encouraging Sanders supporters to refuse to abide by his explicit request to support the Democratic ticket, and instead “vote their consciences”.
Bull chips and poppycock! The Trump strategy in the U.S. system is to split the Democrat party vote, and win by a plurality. And, of course, if it can convince sufficient numbers of Sanders supporters to simply stay home on election day, they can even make it appear as though Trump won by a majority. Make no mistake about it.
I have a message for all you genX-ers and genY-ers and WTF-ers out there making noise about “voting your consciences” or not voting at all: There is conscience in protest marching. There is conscience in protest striking and occupying, and other forms of civil disobedience. There is conscience in “pamphleteering”, and in writing and speaking to the body politic all across social media. There is even conscience in self-exile to avoid participating in, and paying taxes to a corrupt and moribund political system.
But, there is no conscience when it comes to voting (or not voting) in elections. There is only winning.
All that splitting the vote or not voting accomplishes is to ensure that the dark side wins, and thereby ends up governing.
And that, my friends of unmitigated principle, will be on your conscience!
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JIM:
I understand what you are saying about the differences between Canada’s democracy and whatever appears to be calling itself that in the US today.
What I don’t understand is, having been following this closely, is just how Trump, and I’m really just talking on a rational basis here, has managed to eliminate 15 or 16 other competitors and gain the amount of support he has, through the hyperbolic rhetoric that spews from him, and through name calling and the overtly racial and misogynist overtones of his speeches.
I’m serious now, looking at this as a rational humanoid, I am completely mystified by what to me appears to be mass stupidity on the part of his followers. This guy is an intellectual primate, and has no idea of how the world really works.
He has never offered anything in the way of a policy. He has never offered anything in the way of a promise, other than to build a wall. He borrowed money from his own company to finance his primary campaign and has made about $30,000,000 for just showing up. He is involved in over 3000 lawsuits mostly from screwing his own workers and sub-contractors over. Women are coming forward with rape allegations against him. He doesn’t support the American worker, having just tried to bust a union in Las Vegas. And now prominent media people like George Will are investigating Trump for taking money bribe money from Russia, which is evidently why he won’t release his tax returns.
And yet, here he stands, the worst threat to democracy that the US has maybe ever experienced in modern times, hated by every Muslim on the planet, a large monkey wrench in the gears of the Republican party which, because of him is on the verge of implosion, offering nothing of substance to back up his abstract promise to “Make American Great Again”.
Honestly Phil, what’s really causing this to happen? I mean if the people who follow Trump really wanted to make a change, why the hell didn’t they flock to Bernie Sanders, who in my opinion is light years ahead of Trump in his intellect and actual ability to get things done?
Is there something in the water down there? Or are people just getting dumber?
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PHIL:
Yea, there must be something in the water, because whether or not people are getting dumber, they are acting dumber — especially centrist politicians in the Republican party.
Donald Trump and his camp suckered punched the Republican party. First, he took advantage of what I would call the Bullying Syndrome (the “BS” for short). Like the Stockholm Syndrome, the BS accrues to the victims of bullying attacks, whereby they keep their heads low, hoping that the bully will go pick on someone other than them.
If you remember, Trump made a special effort to denigrate not only the current administration, not only Washington insiders, and not only presidential contenders from the Democratic party, but members of his own party, particularly most of those who were also vying for the nomination. And he was exceptionally vicious at times, no doubt often as the result of shooting for big headlines, but more than just occasionally as part of a campaign to nurture the BS.
Each of the competing candidates thought, as I see it, there was no percentage in crossing swords with Trump. That the best which could be accomplished was to draw more attention to what he was saying about them. That the best course of action was to simply not respond.
Kind of like the advice you get on social media platforms concerning how to deal with trolls. And pretty much like the advice propounded by Neville Chamberlain as to how to deal with Hitler.
Well guess what: BS doesn’t work. And by the time the centrist members of the Republican party realized that and tried vainly to raise a counter-attack, it was too little too late.
Without strong voices in opposition, Trump has used shallow slogans, lacking any substantive backup, to capture the minds and hearts of those who want desperately to understand our contemporary world, but can’t.
Those people are tired of having Washington politicians — and grant-supported academic “experts” — tell them it is all too difficult for the rabble to understand. And so have taken to Trump’s simplistic jingoism, like people dying in the desert for lack of water take, to finding an oasis.
The sad thing about all of this is that Bernie Sanders, who really gets the issues surrounding social and economic justice, has offered what the centrist Republicans could have, but didn’t because of partisan politics. Namely, a discussion of the problems without the presumption that they are too complex for the ordinary, albeit reasonably educated person to understand. With the result that Trump has captured the support of a dangerously dedicated and vocal minority, who mistake shallowness of thought for clarity.
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JIM:
Mistaking shallowness of thought for clarity…But also deliberately muddying the waters between facts and feelings.
Last night I saw a clip on John Oliver’s outstanding satire Last Week Tonight, where he showed some network Talking Head interviewing Newt Gingrich, who by the way, bears a striking resemblance to Mr Toad of Toad Hall in Wind In The Willows
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The Talking Head was trying to explain to Mr Toad that the violent crime rate in the country as whole was down year over year. She even had a little chart to show him. But Mr Toad would have none of that, explaining that ‘the people don’t feel safe’.
After a bit of futile arguing the Talking Head, who undoubtedly wanted to squash Mr Toad like a bug (pardon the mixed metaphor) finally gave up. Mr Toad, now left with the final word, stated emphatically, “That may be a fact but I will go with feelings and you can have the theorists.”

John Oliver was pissed… “Did you hear that? He just brought a feeling to a fact fight!”
This is pretty mindboggling ignorance in someone who is responsible for making laws that govern people. We could go on but, I think the point has been made.

Also, to Phil’s credit, because he spotted it early on, right here on one of my posts, it has now been reported a couple of times that there are agents from the Trump camp trying, through comments on politically oriented posts, to get disaffected Sanders supporters to stay home or vote for not just Trump
, but for any splinter candidate, the Libertarians, the Green Party, anyone other than Clinton. Because Trump knows that every vote not cast for Clinton, is essentially a vote for him. Man, if only he would use his power for good.
In closing I would say there are two key points that occur to me:

Point 1
. Trump’s vagueness and bullying tactics have infected almost the entire Republican party. Now everybody is afraid to confront the bully and as a consequence they have all become enslaved to the will of the lunatic, a la your BS theory. Remind you of anything? This is also known as the beginning of fascism.
Point 2
. These same, dopey, brainwashed, bullied, wimp politicians are now unabashedly spouting the dumbest and most ignorant crap because they know that their audience will believe it.
Why? Well that’s the big question isn’t it? Maybe we’re having trouble answering it because we either don’t want to know why or there is no answer. Or maybe the answer lies in a lyric from The Boxer by Simon and Garfunkle

I am just a poor boy
Though my story's seldom told,
I have squandered my resistance
For a pocketful of mumbles,
Such are promises
All lies and jest
Still, a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest.

Paul Simon

For intelligent, thinking people, this is a sadness almost beyond belief. People know what Trump is. People know that he only serves his own personal agenda. People have to know that he has actually spent a year blowing smoke up everybody’s kilt and yet here is, a real threat to the future of a great country.
Everybody’s in the outhouse. Hope the shit storm doesn’t hit them. But man…I dunno.

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Phil Friedman

7 years ago #20

@Peter Luria - Well expressed, and to a large extent right on point. The awful thing about this upcoming election is that the electorate does not have the luxury of protest votes or conscience related abstention. The fact is we have two choices, one which is far from ideal and for which I personally hold many reservations, the other which portends to drag the nation down the rabbit hole into hell. The only rational course of action is to vote to survive and live to fight another day. And to hold Hillary Clinton to her commitments to Bernie Sanders and his supporters. As I said, a lot of action can be about conscience. But voting in an election is about winning... for ultimately nobody pays attention to anything else. Thank you for reading and commenting.

Peter Luria

7 years ago #19

@Jim Murray; Phil Friedman: Per usual an interesting and well written Post. There are undoubtedly many varying perspectives and lenses through which one can view the Trump/Hillary Clinton Presidential Race. However there is one issue which spoken or unspoken renders this election fundamentally different from any in the recent past. This is the issue of race and religious prejudice. Determining how to approach such a question transcends politics, at least if one defines politics in its contemporary sense as a calculus of competing interests. Rather responding to the issue goes to a much more fundamental question: what it means to be an American citizen. Trump's racist ideology concerning Mexicans and those of Mexican descent is on overt display in his public statements. The same applies to Trump's attitude towards Muslims. Trump's use of a six pointed star in anti-Hillary Clinton campaign ads is antisemitic. Clinton's attitudes are less overt , concealed as they are by the fetid ideological stench of the DNC which strategized about using Sanders' religion against him. As Americans how we hold our politicians accountable in these circumstances will define us as a nation and as a society for many years to come. Respectfully submitted....

Cyndi wilkins

7 years ago #18

" I am completely mystified by what to me appears to be mass stupidity on the part of his followers. This guy is an intellectual primate, and has no idea of how the world really works." Thank you Jim Murray...That says it all...One word...FEAR.

Phil Friedman

7 years ago #17

#28
I agree, Jim Murray. I understand why someone who started out as a Libertarian or a Green Party member might resist voting for Sanders as a way of voting against Trump. But I in no way understand starting out as a fervent Sanders supporter, and because you're disappointed he didn't win the nomination, either refuse to vote or vote for a splinter candidate -- in spite of Bernie's own recommendations and appeals. That is just plain petulant. And stupid. For every vote not cast for the Democrat party presidential ticket, is a vote for Trump. Make no mistake about it.

Jim Murray

7 years ago #16

TO EVERYBODY: Thanks for the truly inspiring engagement. On LI we would have only heard from the Republican, and the asshole wing at that. Last night I had a dream that sometime in between not and the election, Trump does something so stupid and egomaniacal that he actually ends up getting arrested, thrown into jail and has the shit pounded out of him by a bunch of the people he's been putting down for the last year. But when he gets out and has a rally to explain that he was only being sarcastic, nobody shows up. Not his hard core. Not the gawkers. Not the press. Everybody had just had enough. Oddly enough, nobody is angry or sad or remorseful. They just realize that they are living proof of the fact that Americans will always do the right thing, but only after exhausting every other possibility. Trump will be written off as an experiment that went awry, and everybody will move on.

Jim Murray

7 years ago #15

#25
Phil Friedman. I thnk Sanders has already got a committiment from Hillary on a lot of the stuff he was asking for. I heard it in his speech on Monday night,. There's no reason why Sanders supporters should no support the Democratic ticket. And I think you're going to hear a lot more from Bernie on this very point.

Jim Murray

7 years ago #14

#23
Gerald Hecht. That's an excellent point.. I would not be afraid to go head to head with Trump on Twitter. I have the advantage of being sane.

Jim Murray

7 years ago #13

#18
FYI Randy Keho, Canada will want nothing to do with the USA if Trump gets elected. We;ll be too busy building houses and condos for Americans. You guys will make us the richest country on the planet.

Phil Friedman

7 years ago #12

#18
Randy Keho - I agree that the voters on the Democrat side of the aisle initially mistook Bernie Saunders for a "socialist" -- which he is not. If anything, he is probably a populist, without the rural roots. I can say this, though. He is the only politician I heard in years, including the Clinton's, who actually gets it. And says it. How the nation was ripped off by the financial and banking sectors, in the greatest single transfer of wealth in the history of this nation. How transnational corporations have sold us a bill of goods about "globalization" -- which is actually cover for the continued exploitation of dirt cheap labor markets around the world, to all our detriment, except the corporate profits. How top executive management of so many major publicly traded corporations rig the books to generate phantom profits, upon which millions of dollars in bonuses are paid from pre-dividend, shareholder-owned monies. How the erosions of the middle class in this nation has damaged us. How giving tax breaks to the top 1% does not create jobs or investment at anywhere near the rate that same money would if given to ordinary Joes in the form of tax breaks and rebates, since those ordinary Joes would spend it on goods and service, rather than squirrel it away. And so on. Bernie gets it. And says it. And you are right, in the beginning too few listened. But now is the time to continue to support Sanders in his quest to pull the Democrats to where they need and should be, for all our sakes. At this point, he can be made the conscience of the party, and we'll all be better for it. Thank you for reading and commenting. Cheers!

Kevin Pashuk

7 years ago #11

#18
I would suggest Randy Keho that you dig through the Netflix archives (I think it's there) and dig up a movie called Canadian Bacon (1995) with John Candy, James Belushi and a host of other well known actors. The basic plotline is: "A U.S. president tries to bolster his sagging approval rating by picking a fight with the unlikeliest of foes: Canada. After a slick propaganda campaign convinces Americans that Canada is the enemy, a zealous patriot takes matters into his own hands." It is full of Canadian sterotypes... and shows the futility of what might happen if you ever try to invade. :)

Phil Friedman

7 years ago #10

#17
Yes, Aurorasa Sima, it was chilling. Like watching the mad autocrat who just realized that what was before him, and now in his possession, was a weapon of mass destruction. To quote Walt Kelly in Pogo, "we have met the enemy... and he is us."

Randy Keho

7 years ago #9

Damn the frilly torpedoes, I'm going to come right out and say it. Just like Obama was bolstered by the black vote, mainly because he's black. Hillary is bolstered by the female vote, mainly because she's s woman. Otherwise, Sanders would be the candidate going toe-to-toe with Trump. At the beginning of the contest, many thought he was too old in addition to being labeled a socialist. I think many voters would like to revisit those assumptions. Too late now. So, if we follow the established narrative, a Hispanic-American candidate will waltz right into office the next time around. Then, an Asian-American, followed by an LGBT-American, and so on. Certainly by then, Caucasian-Americans, perhaps a millennial, will be a minority and the republican party can pick up where it left off. If Trump wins, maybe he'll annex Canada, instead of building another wall with that colorful money from up there. Sorry, I just couldn't resist. Thanks for another great conversation.

Phil Friedman

7 years ago #8

I cannot understand how anyone who watched Trumps acceptance speech, and saw his eyes, his facial expressions, and the rest of his body language could conclude that for him this is about anything other than pure egotism and megalomania.

Jim Murray

7 years ago #7

#10
From what I have seen Obama has helped the country crawl back out the a vert deep hole. Are they done? Probably not. I just can't see how electing Trump is gonna help anything. But then I think the guy's a joke.

Jim Murray

7 years ago #6

#10
From what I have seen Obama has helped the country crawl back out the a vert deep hole. Are they done? Probably not. I just can

Joel Anderson

7 years ago #5

"Tightrope" by Stevie Ray Vaugh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX5ioDq1m5I

Phil Friedman

7 years ago #4

Gee, and I thought, as well, that all the cojones-less "Anonymous" commenters were left on LI to creep everyone else's profiles in private.

Jim Murray

7 years ago #3

#6
Phillip Hubbell...I honestly believe that the void that was created by the last recession and housing crisis in 08 coupled with the migration of manufacturing jobs to cheaper pastures. Trump just latched onto that because he was part of it. All he's doing is exploiting an idea that fell into his lap because he happened to be in that business. After that it was the novelty of him in the media. This has way less to do with people, immigrants, Mexicans than it does with America's need to attract business the way they always have, by being an open environment and offering a huge market and real opportunity to those who are willing to work hard. Hillary Clinton's plan is more or less the same as Bill Clinton's back in the 90s. Put displaced blue collar people back to work by improving the infrastructure, offer incentives for entrepreneurs and attract business to areas where there is a good skilled workforce. This shit works. Closing off the country doesn't. Never has. Never will. Trump doesn't get that because his real agenda is about how he's going to profit big time from being the most corrupt president in US history.

Jim Murray

7 years ago #2

#3
That is Not lost on me, John Vaughan. I have been watching the DNC closely and feel much better about America on the high road, as you so aptly put it.

Kevin Pashuk

7 years ago #1

You know... if you read this without wearing blue glasses, or red glasses, it all makes logical sense. But bringing logic to a partisan political debate is like bringing a knife to a gun fight... which brings to mind the 2nd amendment...

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