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Observing the Dyadic Relation

Observing the Dyadic Relation

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Speck aneuron is o personal process of CyVP Mart email. cityvp@ciubmenmber org - Avgust 20%The way to destroy my family and home is to insist on a many-to-many network, because that is a group view that supersedes the evolution of individual relationships.  The meaning of dyad is simply two of something and it is a word that I have come to use in order to view and understand a relationship type which is not what we tend to focus on.  We do not tend to focus on this relationship type because we speak the language of groups and in so doing sometimes at the expense of being blind to relationship insights at the the individual to individual level.

A mother and son dyad may seem simple enough as a relationship between a mother and a son and vice-versa.  Yet that simply qualifies as a relationship.   Why I utilize the term "dyad" is because it helps me express multiple types of relationship between two people.  When I see my mother I do not see just a person who is my mother but a person who is a person in her own right.  It is that second view which we do not often think about.   My own kids may see me as dad, but they can also see me as Manjit.  The dyad is not the relationship it is the diversity.

That is what defines the dyad as an individual view and not a group view.  Each dyad is an individual relationship and those that can see the layers that exist in a relationship are able to see a greater view of relationship, one far more nuanced than I am son, she is my mother.  The group tends to make us generalize the relationship rather than specialize the relationship - when I started to see the person my mother is as an individual person, I began to see and appreciate facets about her life that do not normally come into view - for the simple reason that we don't see the individual, we see only the mother.

A big part of the success of our home has been our collective ability to keep the outside world out of our home and so privacy and our family business is not something that we share.  Observing the dyad simply brings the individual level of relationship and make that more alive, but it does not lessen or remove the need for group level relationships that form the home.  In that case if Bollywood made a movie about our home, it probably will be highly moral and values film like "Hum Saath Saath Hain" - and while we have the morals and values, we also have a tonne of real life and whether it is Hollywood or Bollywood - movies represent the fantasy.

When the dyad is weak, the family is kept together not by a sense of meaning but by control and control without relationship value is a horrible home.   The resilience we have as a family did not arise because we were the perfect family but because we don't tend to keep things locked within and we don't let the opinion of people who have no idea who we are, impose their will on us.  The road to dysfunction can become paved in concrete, rather than liberated by resilience. 

A healthy home is not one which is practicing dogma but actually do the job of living together.  What are cracks in our home do not become canyons, they become resilience.  The reason people are averse to conflict is because they have been exposed to brutality and not living.  All families have tough moments but it is how those moments strengthen a home that is the difference - and here is where in the reforming the network of dyads work to strengthen things.

It is the diversity we are blessed with and in 90% of the time, every week is a party night in our home because it is very much active and alive - and so reflective moments like this are special for me because anyone visiting us will soon notice just how noisy our home is - this is good noise, it is the network of dyadic relations sparking and simmering in different parts of the home or together as a group. 


Outside the home I might be delivered an idea such as "emotional intelligence" and this idea is often built up of what people don't want - and so expresses itself as good thing that counters whatever people view does not work with the world.  The point is that if the dyadic relationships are based on trying to fill in the cracks, there is no real evolution because then all the sum of those relationships are focused on becoming experts on what does not work - and that leads to the lightning and thunder of finger pointing.   We focus on the practical and that which does work.  When Daniel Goleman saw an Atlantic article that began looking at perverse ways EI or EQ was actually being used, he immediately wrote a response 3 days later to acknowledge that article but try to preserve the reputation and multi-million dollar industry that is emotional intelligence.  There is no textbook answer to how a family may emerge, this is what life is.

Krishnamurti questioned what brings disorder in relationships and that reinforces the forces of the group.  We must understand existence as a group because we are members of society but we have no guarantee's that the home we exist in can survive all that life throws at it, without it further damaging itself with confusions and distress within.  My exploration of the dyadic is simply me trying to figure out why our home works so well and has grown from strength to strength and from there I have discovered at a personal level, multiple meanings of family and home - that we can create dyads outside our private home - that themselves are homes of social existence, homes of work and homes of play.  In not having an answer that too is diversity, and the dyad is not an answer, it is simply an organization, a network, a practice that is the sum of individual relationships, not as political parties or economic necessity, but the nature of being - one that I observe like everyone else as a group, but also the dyadic relationship.


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CityVP Manjit

7 years ago #11

#33
Dear Sara, we are talking about the same thing because we are practicing the same thing. In a therapeutic one-to-one relationship with your client I am positive that you create a sacred space in which the dyad is given trust, discernment and discretion and in your work, you observe the individual, not imposing your pattern on that individual but hearing and seeing them fully. The strongest form of dyad therefore is active listening. There is an active deficit of listening in the world today and when that deficit aggregates into the group we may it call it the evil side of things, but for me evil is the deficit expressing itself at larger and larger dimensions. We may well be practitioners but if listening begins with self-awareness at the monadic level and expresses itself in the dyad - that to me is where the individual is before group interaction informs our intelligence ie to observe what is before we create a pattern around that. Sometimes by putting our hand on something and in trying to control it, we give life to that which would dissipate. Before the weekend, two of my daughters took issue with something and they huffed and puffed about it, but I understand their dyad, their personalities trigger each other and the catalyst of that often makes more noise than signal. Yesterday at a relatives party both are blissfully unaware of that noise, they moved on and that same dyad were operating on their dyadic catalyst of joy. We can touch things that would have disappeared and we don't remain with that which will transform - and these are the tiny differences which as a therapist you are even better at noticing than I am, to a much greater degree - so we both may see the same thing but our practice varies - in this the dyad is not who we are, it is what is.

CityVP Manjit

7 years ago #10

#28
Dear Sara, what I am saying is that there are two fundamentally important parts which inform each other but we have as a society a natural bias towards the group as a part and so we see the group as made up of individuals. We don't fully examine or be with the relationship before it transforms as a group being. I cannot understand why one would favour one or the other, when the two are the whole. There are a lot of lonely people in this world and the group bias treats lonely people as a group called lonely. I see the individual operating at a monadic capacity, just as if we choose self-reflection we are utilizing a monadic capacity. The individual is also in the dyad. As we become a group we move into the triad and triad maybe the optimal form of a group, but it is a group. To separate these two distinctions is like saying the ying does not have its yang - the two are totally a harmony of both - the individual and the group. If Jung is wise and I do think he is - his wisdom is in seeing the bias to the group.

CityVP Manjit

7 years ago #9

#25
Dear Anees, appreciation is the wisdom here. One gets to a wise heart through the refinement and iterations of appreciation. Today appreciation is viewed through the filter of the group, whether we put a happiness lens on it or even a positive thinking lens on it. Appreciation is a most challenging pathway as to how our wisdom comes into being.

CityVP Manjit

7 years ago #8

#23
Dear Sara, the group is who fundamentally are, we are tribal. Since I live in a communal household, I did not not just focus on the dyads in my own home because it gave me a new way of seeing, I also saw that Carl Jung saw something that definitely is missed when his personality types were summarized as a group tool. http://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Jung/types.htm what became apparent is that Jung continually wrote about our tendency as a society to apply the optics of the group and that that imbalance between societal preference on the group. In psychological types it was not the types that he was trying to ascertain, but this inclination and resulting imbalance or bias towards the group. The following Huffington Post article illustrates the words "Sawubona" I SEE YOU and "Njikhona" I AM HERE. http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/glen-pearson/africa-famine_b_922063.html We do not really live at the individual level, we intellectualize the individual level and then as a group we collectively exhibit empathy, but the underlying causes of poverty stems from us acting as groups and economically purposing and digesting as a group - creating an economic exploitation of other parts of the world. The natural bias is towards the group, Carl Jung clearly saw it and observed it, and that bias removes us from nature and places us in our own tribes. In the advent of the Internet, young people did not claim a liberation of the individual but acclaimed themselves as tribal. How can we be enthused about our tribal heritage and not see the link to genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history in human history. In the last century the holocaust attempted to extinguish a certain group of people. That is the extreme case, just as a complete bias towards the individual would lead to another disastrous form of human suffering called anarchy. The group does see the individual but through a group bias. So now I explore my own dyads.

CityVP Manjit

7 years ago #7

#20
I must give you a gigantic metaphorical kiss Fatima because you are seeing the dyadic. There is no guarantee of a resolution because if we are trying to resolve a relationship we are engaged in the resolution which again is not the relationship. If we are not trying to fix the relationship but appreciate the relationship, the appreciation is what we learn from the dyad. The resolution is a formula and at the tribal level, we live in a world full of techniques, formula's and answers. Cease changing the other at the dyad level and what is revealed to us is the relationship. The unresolved then is no different to the resolved because we are appreciating the human being and not the flaws of the human being - and in that appreciation we see the human being, not the Manjit, or the Fatima or the father or the daughter. This is why I say many-to-many relationship destroy because the effort is to fix and improve and solve - all of which are group impulses and we may find answers to our humanity, but we can get very intellectual about humanity, while the practical wisdom of being a human being is not really being practiced. Now don't take my metaphorical kiss as a reward for insightfulness - for this is the tribal impulse in me talking. It is possible to observe the dyad in a social network but it is best observed at a one-to-one level - and from that you begin to realize just how rich each unique relationship is - and what I am saying here is for my practice. For you to copy, emulate or inspire from my practice means in a dyadic relationship you become a clone of me. It is not you having a relationship with a particular human being, it is the pattern you have applied that you may have learned from me. At the tribal, triadic, group etc etc level all of these things come into play, at the dyadic level what works for me is unique to me in that moment - appreciation is key at the dyad, not resolution.

CityVP Manjit

7 years ago #6

#9
Dear Ali Ali Anani when you said "The dyad between you and your daughter is charged and isn't neutral and this made you willing to reach the other Fatima" you are addressing the evolution of the group. Stick with the evolution of the individual relationship and then we do not bring outside objects or comparisons into the dyadic relationship - for then we continue to observe the dyad with an external condition. At the triadic level where group is born - the other Fatima comes into being through a social response. Memory serves the group, but memories can inject themselves into a dyadic relationship to obsolete the dyad - why because then there is a three way relationship, the two human beings and the memories.

CityVP Manjit

7 years ago #5

#8
I was not "Manjit" when I was born, I was a human being. The word humanity is seeing the group. The word human being is seeing the human being. Dear Ali Anani it is not what we can do with it, it is releasing from within us the notion that we are doing something - the dyad is the human being meeting a human being and now capturing the diversity of the individual. The push and pull of wants and needs will greatly influence behaviour - and here I am not promoting dyadic relationships, I am exploring my own. I have no sense or idea how another observes the dyad - that is their freedom to observe or not - but this much I already know from my own observation - we cannot get groups to humanity, when we have not got we the individual to a human being.

CityVP Manjit

7 years ago #4

#5
Dear Ali Anani, let us not confuse the triad which is the beginning of group with the dyad which is the relationship of meaning that gives meaning to a relationship. This "relationship of meaning that gives meaning to a relationship" is something I consider most powerful. I am learning dyadic relationship from my heart and not as a preconceived notion of my mind - and if there are preconceived notions, it is my heart that shall either be subservient to those notions or inject wisdom to make me aware that those notions are a potential blockage in the dyadic relationship. A dyadic relationship is not an expectation of perfect relationships but an observation of what is natural and spontaneous and what is preconceived or conditioned. The dyad leads us to wisdom because it takes us to humility. Your question "Is there a way my relation with Anees will not be affected by my relation with you?" is a group question which has life from the initiation of a triad. I am not talking about groups here at all, but individual relationships, which when operating in a network of intelligence, yes we do affect group behaviour but when we become that group. If we are already injecting the group into a two way relationship where is the dyadic relationship - there never was a dyadic relationship because were are not present to the individual relationship but our group mindset or a third party conditioning.

CityVP Manjit

7 years ago #3

#4
In reference to part two you referenced the network woven around you. The way I look at a dyadic relationship is my ability to step out of that network. The dyadic relationship is a great test of listening not only to the other (which makes the dyad) but to ourselves. When in a dyadic relationship the feminine within me is evoked I am more liable to travel down the highway of empathy that is shared with another, but if the other (whether we see them as wife or a woman or a mother etc) is drawing on the masculine within them - then the dyad is not aligned in listening. This means we are not objectively observing but lost in the meaning - rather than gaining in the wisdom. We are fallible creatures who are not expected to be perfect artifacts of relationship building - but if we are observers with new eyes, then we can build the gift of friendship, the silence in listening is not easy, the awareness of observation diluted by what projections we cast on the dyad. Do you see now what a dyadic relationship is?

CityVP Manjit

7 years ago #2

#3
I have not seen the hindi connection to my name equating with heart but I have built on the sanksrit meaning of "Manjit" as conqueror of the mind, where "Man" or "Mun" = Mind. Hence I have utilized the term "Victor Overmind" and I had planned to build on this term at LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/groups/8396097/profile but LinkedIn inexplicably changed how they manage groups, so this project was abandoned - but the remnants of Victor Overmind are now found in my Yellow Wisdom hive https://www.bebee.com/group/yellow here at BeBee. One thing I find curious Anees, why look for what is missing in any relationship when you have the relationship? We do not need to diagnose that which is either healthy or natural but simply appreciate it. The label wife prevents us from seeing more of the dyadic relationship - so you are not appreciating a dyadic relationship when it is solely husband and wife. It takes wisdom and patience to see a woman relating to a man, or a mother to a husband, or a wife to a father - so you see, the nature of the dyad depends on what we see. What we then appreciate is new ways of seeing. Death does not even take away a dyadic relationship. When Fatima Williams wrote a buzz about her father and the man her father was, she is still involved in a dyadic relationship, except the relationship of that dyad is between heart and memory. She would give anything in this world to have her father in her life right now but the dyad is more than just listening, it is our wisdom.

CityVP Manjit

7 years ago #1

#1
Dear Fatima The idea of "sharing" is a group idea, and this is what we learn because social media draws on our tribal nature. If you describe your relationship with nature as natural, then that is what the dyadic is - here I am in a 11 million BeBee universe but I am learning about you and you are learning about me - that is a dyadic relationship - our nature rather than our capture.

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