Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

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How to Kill it on Twitter, 1: Clean is Best

How to Kill it on Twitter, 1: Clean is Best

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Doing Twitter right is a complicated thing. I can make it easier. . . a lot easier. I can't make it automatic. At least, I can't if we want to stay on Twitter's good side. 

And, yes, we want to stay on Twitter's good side.

Many account growth strategies are now active on what used to be The Web-App-With-No-Name(yet), now myTweetPack.com. People are asking for a rundown. 

In effect, they're saying, "Okay! That's waay cool! Now what?

NOTE: Since this post was first written, we made some changes. Thanks to a suggestion by Lynda Spiegel, we added a EZ-ToDo LIst and an EZ Shortcuts button to a Quick LInks bar. It's right on the dashboard and handles much of this.
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Here's what. . . 

When you click the Account GRRowth button on your Dashboard, you go here. Yes, all pages are responsive so you can do this stuff on your phone.

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The first time

The first time you access this page, you'll only see the Growth Settings button. 

That's normal. The App needs to know what you want it to do before it can do it.

We'll get to that in a bit.

The first thing to do

Hit that blue button up top that says, "Refresh ALL Relationships". (UPDATE: Now on EZ ToDo) I suggest you do this at least once a day from now on. It doesn't hurt to do it a few times a day, either.  

Be patient. 

All you do is click a button. The App does a whole lot more. 

It takes your linked accounts one at a time. It goes to the Twittersphere. It yanks down everyone who follows that account and everyone that account follows. 

It does that in real-time. 

It then compares the two lists to see who you follow but isn't following you back.

That can take a while for big accounts or if you have many linked accounts. 

It takes about 21 seconds to process these accounts. It can take a lot longer. I click and go pour a coffee.

Glacial, I know. But, it can't be helped.

UPDATE: Since this was written, many very big accounts signed up. This way of doing things doesn't work for anyone with more than 75000 followers. That's a Twitter issue, not a myTweetPack issue. Twitter only allows us to pull a maximum 75,000 people in any 15-minute period. Let's call it 60,000 for a margin of safety. One new account had 1.7million! 
We needed a new way to handle those big accounts.We found one. To you, it looks exactly the same, just click Refresh Relationships. Any account over 50,000 followers or following is automatically pulled to a different queue. There, it's processed in a different manner. Going forward, it is ignored from the Refresh All Relationships button.Paul

When it's done doing its thing, you'll end up here. UPDATE: Not anymore. People just clicked through quickly. This screen was abolished. The functionality was moved to the EZ ToDo List

Setting Growth System Preferences

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The orange text is a list of account stats for when you refreshed your relationships the first time. The black text is for right now. Of course, if this is your first time, they'll be the same.

Note that the not following back number is for everyone who is not following you back. You may have started following them a minute ago. It's still early to unfollow them. Or, they may be on your Whitelist and you don't want to unfollow them ever. 

Either way, the system knows that. 

There are over 2000 people my accounts follow, but do not follow back. Yet, according to the portal, there are only 108 who qualify for unfollowing.

Click the Return to Previous Page button

Important Note: The system cannot tell when you actually started following someone or when they started following you. It only knows when that person was first entered in your lists. The first time you refresh your stats will be the date/time of record for all follows and following, regardless of when that follow actually happened.

For example, John White and I started following each other when I started on Twitter in May of 2015. In fact, I think John was the first person I followed. He was nice enough to follow back a complete newb. 

As far as the system is concerned, we started following each other a couple of weeks ago. 

That means you won't see any qualified unfollow candidates until your grace period has expired. 

That's a good segue to . . . 

Setting your Growth preferences

When you click the Growth Preferences button from the portal you'll see this.

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QbeBee VIP, AmbassadorYour page will have default settings in the form. I left them at 5 days before an unfollow and 300 maximum daily follows. Change them if you like. My personal opinion is that you should. That 5-day number is the result of a lot of yakking back and forth about it. I still think it's too generous. 

That's why all my accounts have 3 days set.

Why this is important: Do the math. If I follow 700 people a day, I will have followed 3500 in 5 days before I even start cutting any out. My account is probably big enough to survive that many extra following. 

Most aren't.

Besides, we're looking for active users who are interested in our stuff. Is five days "active" enough? 

I think not.

UPDATE: Just because you can follow 700 people a day does not mean you should. The big maximum is more for really big accounts. I have 20,000 followers now and follow 200 people a day for a week. Then I take 2 days off from following. Rinse and repeat.
Paul

Why we limit the number of following: Again, do the math. RockSmallBiz is a new account. It only has a few dozen followers. One of the big red flags against following someone is when they follow far more people than follow them. 

Imagine what would happen if I set RockSmallBiz to follow 700 people a day! If the grace period was 3 days, I would follow 2100 people before culling any. Set the grace period to 5 days, and it would be 3500! 

Heck, even I wouldn't follow me!

As an aside, Arabic-speakers reading this may want to giggle at the name RockSmallBiz. Go ahead. 

It's funny in Arabic.

A few strategy tips (IMHO)

  • Keep your grace period at either two or three days. I like three.
  • It's a great idea to clean your accounts before you start any structured following program. Cull them now. Build them up a little bit later.
  • Unless your account is brand-spanking new, try to make it so your account will never follow more than 3-4X the number of people who follow it. 
  • If it is brand-spanking new, set your max follows to between 100 and 200 with a 3-day grace period.

No-Man's Land

Because of Twitter's maximum follow rules, account growth runs smack into a brick wall at about 4500 followers. You're allowed to follow 1000 people a day in general. But, your total number followed is 5000 or about 110% of your follower count. 

That causes issues.

It doesn't get very much better until you cross 14,000 followers. Sorry, Those are Twitter rules, not mine. The good news is that with this app it shouldn't take very long.

You'll need to be more hands-on. You don't want to piss Twitter off.

  • Process your unfollows every single day. You're working with severely limited resources. Don't waste any.
  • When you cross 4000 followers, drop your grace period to 2 days. Drop your max follows to 200. Don't schedule more than a week's worth of follows at a time.
  • When you cross 6000 followers, raise your max follows to 300. Keep everything else the same. Start scheduling a few weeks' worth of follows at a time if you like.
  • When you cross 8000 followers, raise your max follows to 400.  Keep everything else the same. 
  • When you cross 10,000 followers, raise your max follows to 500.  Keep everything else the same.  You can start scheduling a month's follows at a time.
  • When you cross 14,000 followers, raise the max follows to 700.  Keep everything else the same.
  • When you cross 16,000 followers, raise the grace period to 3 days. Schedule as many future follows as you like.

Whitelists

Everyone has some accounts they want to continue following even if those accounts don't follow them back. Many automated systems will unfollow them anyway. That's just rude. Whitelists fix that.

Creating your whitelist is easy. Just click the Manage WhiteList button and go from there. 

UPDATE: Since this was written, we added Live Chat function to both the Members' and the Public area. If I'm at my computer, I'm usually the one behind the Chat screen. Help is always just a click away. myTweetPack.com started as a little web-app. Now it's a beast cloud-based software. No one, myself include, uses all 72 (so far) functions. Soon most of you will be using one function, member or not. Reach out anytime I'm online. I don't bite. . . much.
Paul

Your Action Plan

The first order of business is to clean out your account. You need to get rid of all those people you followed but who haven't followed you back. 

The safe way is to keep hitting the Refresh All Relationships button every day until you see a number next to the Process Them ALL button. 

Then hit that button.

The riskier way is to  set your grace period to 1 day. Run the account refresh today. Click Process Them All tomorrow. Set yourself a reminder to change your grace period to something reasonable after you click that button. 

You know yourself. If you doubt your capacity to remember to change the grace period, don't do this. If you leave it as is, people will think you're a dick.

Important Note: The system will unfollow up to 720 people a day per account. I suggest you don't start any structured follow program until your accounts are clean. So, if the system says you have 1400 accounts not following back (ex), don't do anything follow-wise for two days.

Follows and unfollows are scheduled. Don't worry about scheduling an unfollow now and they follow-back between now and the scheduled unfollow time. The system does a final check before pulling the trigger.

We'll get to follow strategies next time. (UPDATE: Did I ever write that part?)

Cheers

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Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

7 years ago #17

#20
Thanks, Don. It's funny how, on beBee, posts resurface with surprising regularity. I just Updated it to reflect all the many changes. The biggest is that the Web App With No-Name is now myTweetPack.com

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

7 years ago #16

#18
Merci, Stéphan. I think it's time for an update. Things move fast in the Pack
Great insight and action plan by Paul \, a must read for twitter automation fans...MyTeetPack rocks!

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

7 years ago #14

#15
I'm back home after a meeting out of town. A 3-hour return drive gives great opportunity for thought. RE your issue, FancyJ,... There is nothing that can be done in a hurrry. You do need to follow back more people... those you deem to fit the profile you want. You also need to clean out any unfollowers from those you follow. The mechanisms for doing both already exist in our app. You alluded to the fact that you want to connect with people who are active and who interact with you. We scan who retweets or mentions you (or another account for that matter) and add them to a list of potential follows. Then, you filter the potential follows list according to whatever you want. The possible filters are vast. Once you have that, you can schedule the follows. You can also set a bunch of them on ignore. You can't control who follows you. But, over time, you can build a list of people you follow who are active and who have already proven their willingness to interact (because they already did). Who you follow will be a subset of who is following you based on parameters you set up in the first place. That's really the best you can hope for. Reah out if you have questions

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

7 years ago #13

#15
As I sit here thinking about it, I see that many people need to fix their accounts. There are people they follow that they shouldn't, and people they should follow that they aren't. Those issues are done once they start using the app, but, what about all the time before? I need to figure out how to fix it without piling on a ton of processing needs. It's important to me to keep the eventual cost way down. Also, a big account like yours brings out several new layers of complexity that I had not considered. The obvious solution is to have you follow everybody, then unfollow whoever doesn't fit a profile. Problem: It would take nearly two years to follow everyone at max safe follow limits. In the meantime, you wouldn't be able to do anything new. Yep, I need to think on this

Fancy J London

7 years ago #12

I am game, ;) Thank you for taking the time to dive into my little dilemma. I wasn't sure it could be done or at that even attempted. I will wait for your response or you can email me directly fancyjlondon@gmail.com Appreciate it greatly. #14

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

7 years ago #11

#13
Hi FancyJ... The answer to your question is a definite, "No." Usually, I would say that following back blindly caused the problem in the first place. That isn't so in your case. You have 454,637 followers as of right now. You are only following 3,744. So, no, you aren't following blindly. You can't stop people from following you short of blocking them. That's extreme. Still, it's warranted sometimes. Since most Twitter growth packages focus on following the followings of others, there's a huge incentive for spammers, scammers, follower-sellers, and the like to follow big accounts like yours. Sorry, but there isn't much you can do about that. On Twitter, anyone can follow anyone. Your "audience" is that group that both follows and is followed. IMO: Your strategy should be to follow back those accounts that fit a profile you want to interact with and/or promote to. Ignore the others. That we can definitely help with going forward. This is what I mean about this app being crowd-built. You aren't the only person facing this issue. It's unusual, it's the exact opposite of most Twitter problems. It intrigues me. Rather than hunt down potential people to follow, you already have a massive potential friends base. You need to filter them and follow-back accordingly. This will require some thought. The problem, technically, is that Twitter does not supply profile data for each follower. So, you can't filter them. I have to go grab the data in other passes. It would take about an hour and a half to pull in all that data. It can be done. This will require some thought. Maybe we can break up the job into manageable pieces. Let me get back to you. If I come up with a possible solution, are you game to test it?

Fancy J London

7 years ago #10

I have quite a few followers the majority being no active, or phish. How can I get rid of the fake, xxx, and eggs? Will this program work for me with such a high number? I am desperate to weed out my account and focus on my interacting connections. Thank you for posting this I just hope I can benefit from it. Cheer Paul \

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

7 years ago #9

Yes, Lisa it looks like you did it right. SO did everyone else, even if is overly generous with her grace period, but, hey, it's HER grace period. Re your 403s: Check your email, this may be a back-blow from the comm error we experienced a little bit ago. I sent you an email on how to fix it. I'll be out today until this afternoon. I'll call you then.

Lisa Gallagher

7 years ago #8

Thanks for this Paul \, phew.. Ok, I did this one right the first time. I just need to remember to clean out. I sent you an email on gmail (that was a mouthful). Many of my posts that were tweeting w/out incident suddenly received the 403 code and I don't think anything is tweeting from my account now? They were doing just fine up until Nov 3rd?

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

7 years ago #7

#4
Hey, you didn't call me by my beBee suggestions name. . . The Pest LOL

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

7 years ago #6

#6
Update: I changed the beBee Producer image to 930X632 (the 632 doesn't matter though) I Left the focus in the first 496px. Sharing to Twitter is still perfect. Looks better here.

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

7 years ago #5

#2
You can't be fully automatic if you wanted to on Twitter (at least not for long). It would seem we are talking about two different things here. Twitter is largely useless one-on-one. It comes into its stride as a many-to-many platform and as a content promotion/broadcast medium. To make that work, you need not just any numbers, but targeted numbers. That is what we are trying to accomplish. That is what this app is designed to do. Thanks for your comment
#3
Paul \ will help you.

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

7 years ago #3

@Teresa Gezze, @Federico Álvarez San Martín, @Javier beBee, Jim Murray Looking more closely, it seems like 930X496 would be optimal for Twitter Shares. Maybe an Image 930Xsomething would fit both timelines if we understand that only the top 496 would show up in Twitter shares?

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

7 years ago #2

Teresa Gezze I used a 2:1 ratio for the main image here just like Tess suggested in her post. Yes, it shares much better to Twitter without any strange cropping. BUT. . . It looks weak here in the feed. Compare it to Jim Murray's Daily buzz for today. This one works much better on Twitter. Jim's works tons better here. Thoughts anyone?

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

7 years ago #1

John White, MBA is mentioned in this post

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