Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

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About the Author

I'm a ghost but not the kind that's to pottery
wheels I'm the wnting kind

Toften wonder if Im a tech-savvy writer or a
writing-savvy technologist Maybe I'm both. As
one CMO put it, "Paul makes tech my bitch!
That might be going a hittle too far

QbeBee VIP, AmbassadorThere is something in the air, my friends. It’s the foul odour of rot. It’s the stench of animosity. It’s the reek of cowardice. It’s the sickening putrescence of a soul.

Bullying has come to beBee. It cannot be tolerated.

It will not be tolerated.

It might be strange that a platform based on affinity should fall victim to bullies and their tactics.

It isn’t.

Bullies don’t care about affinity. Bullies don’t care about social norms.

They only care about making themselves look good. They prefer pontification to discourse. They fear disagreement.

They want a platform for their crap.

It’s their insecurity and inferiority are what drives them to pull others down. At least they try to. 

It’s up to you whether they succeed or not.

I have a very low tolerance for bullying in any form.

Let me explain.

My family moved to Canada when I was 3. We were actually on our way to Australia, but we settled here. That’s a whole other story.

My parents anticipated the move, so my sister and I learned English as well as our native Arabic. (I was born in Cairo. I still understand Arabic, but can no longer speak it.)

Let’s just say that by age 4, I spoke English and French, but both with a “funny” accent.

Two teen-aged boys took exception to that “funny” accent.

They thought it would be a good idea to knock it out of me. They also decided to stuff grass in my mouth and nose. They left a four-year-old boy beaten and semi-conscious on the side yard of his home.

I tremble with anger as I write this. Oh, how I would love to meet those guys today. Just give me three minutes with them.

Anyway, I managed to make it to the front door and ring the bell before passing out in my Mother’s arms.

That incident marked me. Don’t feel sorry for me. Feel sorry for those who chose to attack me later.

Fast forward ten years. 

Paul at 14 is a man-sized overly muscular youth. He's also soft-spoken and polite. That comes from being two years younger than anyone else in his class.

One idiot decided that my politeness meant I was easy prey. It didn’t help that I was talking to the girl that broke up with him earlier that week. 

He hit me.

The poor bastard had no idea of the shitstorm that was about to rain down on him.

I flashed back to that day ten years before. This time, I wasn’t a defenseless four-year-old. I saw red. I don't remember the next thirty or so seconds.

His mistake cost him a broken arm, a broken nose, and three teeth.

Yes, the grass in mouth and nose incident marked me. 

I am normally easy-going. I give the benefit of the doubt.

I don’t like pushing back.

It’s not because I don’t know how. It sure as hell isn't out of fear of the bully.

It’s out of fear of Me.

I have seen the Beast Within. I’ve seen it up close and personal. It’s not pretty. 

I know just how little social veneer holds the Beast in check. I know it first-hand.

That Beast is in all of us.

It is far too easy for the Beast to take over and escalate a conflict.

Does it need to?

Disagreement is not Bullying

Even heated disagreement is not bullying.

Let’s get one thing straight. 

We are over 11,250,000 bees here. There is no way we will all come together singing, “Cumbaya!” We won’t braid flowers in each other’s hair. We won't spew hugs and kisses to all and sundry.

It just won’t happen. Get over it.

Take a position on a subject, any subject. Now, remember there are 11,250,000 people here.

Some will agree. Some will disagree.

Some will consider it offensive. Some will consider it profound.

Some will consider it stupid. Some will consider it brilliant.

So what?

You wrote it. I assume you stand behind it. I assume you believe it.

What do you care what they think? No, seriously! WHY?

Connect with those who share your thoughts and values. Disconnect from those who don’t. 

Block them if they persist.

Mute those you find offensive. You can mute a bee or just a single thread. 

You have control over your feed.

Use it.

Forcing your View IS Bullying

Social media is a written medium. The written word lacks inflection. Susan Rooks wrote a great piece about this. If you missed it, it’s over here.

I hate bullying, yet I’ve done it. I’ve done it twice. I didn’t mean to. It just sort of slipped out.

We’ve all done it. It’s easy as hell to do on social media.

The first time was a comment I wrote on a LinkedIn post. It was late I was tired. I wrote and posted without reading my comment.

The author messaged almost immediately. He said he enjoyed reading my posts and wondered why I felt the need to attack him on his.

I was surprised. I had no idea what he was talking about. I reread my comment. It could very well come off as an attack.

I deleted the comment and apologized.

The second time was also on LinkedIn. A person whose writing I greatly admire wrote very aggressive comments on three posts. I know, it’s a horrible thing to say, but I asked him if he was “off his meds.” I honestly didn’t think he would be offended.

I was wrong.

I meant it in the colloquial sense. He took it literally.

He disappeared from LinkedIn and I never got a chance to apologise. Lately, I’ve seen him amongst the hives.

I’m keeping my distance more out of embarrassment than a lack of affinity.

You know who you are. Please know that I did not intend to insult or wound you. Also, please consider this my apology.

I would be honored to follow you back should you choose to forgive me. Otherwise, I'll stay out of your hair.

Which brings me to another point

Saying, “No offense,” does not make it so any more than saying, “This won’t hurt,” before I punch you in the face makes that so.

I’m a writer. I write professionally. I know the power of words. Yet, I unintentionally attacked two people.

How many have you unintentionally attacked?

How many well-intended “suggestions” offended the recipient?

Do you even know?

If people want advice, they’ll ask for it. Some people still insist on offering unsolicited advice. To them, I suggest they offer the offering of the advice, not the advice itself.

Does that make sense?

I still get private messages telling me how I can write better or grow my social presence faster.

Writer, Edit thyself

I’m convinced that most bullying is unintended.

Before you hit the Reply button, read your comment. Read it aloud if you can. Does your meaning depend on inflection? If so, what other meanings might the same words convey with a different emphasis?

Reread your next comment.

Is it supportive? (Post)

Is it factual? (Hold off for now. posting is NOT okay simply because it’s true. Truth does not make abuse OK.)

Can it be interpreted as insulting, belittling, or both? (Trash it, even if true. Be honest with yourself, why do you need to post it?)

Is it argumentative? (It’s okay to disagree. It’s not OK to take quantum leaps of logic to refute. Being argumentative is not simple disagreement. It’s picking a fight. If you can’t disagree respectfully, don’t post.)

Does it make your blood boil? (Block, mute, unfollow. Don’t bother commenting. Think about it. If it sucks that badly, why inflict it on your followers? Scoop: If you need to comment to “show people how you deal with morons,” you’re a bully.)

Does the author put forth a position contrary to a position you already put forth? Do you need to “set the record straight?” (don’t post, that’s bullying too. Ignore.)

If you don't believe the last two statements are true, you're kidding yourself. You're also probably a bully.

If you feel you have been bullied

You unfollowed. You blocked. You muted.

They still keep coming. 

Now what?

Report them to beBee. No one needs to deal with this crap.

You are not alone.

Remember, if people try to pull you down, it means you're above them.


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Comments

Milos Djukic

7 years ago #56

#79
Thank you Franci\ud83d\udc1dEugenia Hoffman.

Harvey Lloyd

7 years ago #55

I believe we can all identify the fringes of bullying. I believe as i did a few months ago the definition of bullying is as @Phil Friedman stated, changing. The word will pop out when there is merely disagreement. Interpreting a differing comment or post is difficult when its an issue we hold important. Even more complex is reading and developing insight inside the writers intentions. Some writers, it is clear on exactly what their intentions and positions are. We can love it or leave it. With others the intentions of their comment or post are left wide open to interpretation. Both are good forms of writing but interpretation can run the gambit of loving to reporting as bulling. Depends on the interpretation of intention. Although the bully you perceive may be exactly that, pilling on to the conversation reduces not only the bully but yourself also. Although i appreciate the fact we have the reporting feature. The platform belongs to the writer/readers. It would be up to us to side step these folks and not engage as our first defense. As stated here we learn to manage the bullies on the playground, within social media there are writing skills that address the bully in a way that invites them to stop or exposes them further. Offering them a choice. Not always an effective means but never the less a skill that is worth having on the screen or in real life.

Milos Djukic

7 years ago #54

What we write is the undistorted image of ourselves. Some people think that behind the screen they are much more "powerful", so powerful that they can humiliate others by words. Behind the screen nothing is different, we are still imperfect persons with a bunch of weaknesses. There is a right way, there is a wrong way and there are our ways (plural). All roads, including NOT Bullying road, lead to Rome. If the goal is correct, there is no need to worry. Successful people are not always friendly, patient and calm, but great social people are. Be a star in own village and not in social media, it is enough. Here it is much easier to achieve astonishment. For the respect we need much more. Basic values of people who are willing to help are acceptance of the other person, awareness and understanding of their own values, honesty, patience and personal integrity. It is important to communicate with people and to assist them. It is important that there are disagreements. It is important to build successful relationships and trust. It is important to respect other people's opinions. It is important to understand and to forgive It is important to ... follow our true nature. ”Nothing is so strong as gentleness, nothing so gentle as real strength.” - Francis de Sales

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

7 years ago #53

Thanks, Guys... It's always fun when older posts pop back up.

Kevin Pashuk

7 years ago #52

Resharing this. Worth re-reading

Phil Friedman

7 years ago #51

Paul, this is a solid piece with a good take on the subject. My only comment — besides recommending with Don \ud83d\udc1d Kerr that people also read Robert Cormack's post on "safe spaces" — is to point out a phenomenon that has also emerged of late. Which is for some people to use the epithet "bully" to beat back people with whom they disagree or who disagree with them even politely. BTW, in my lexicon "bullying" involves an uneven match-up, either between a "big" person and a "smaller, weaker" person or (more often between a crowd or mob and a single individual. And guess which is the bully and which is not. Cheers!

don kerr

7 years ago #50

On a related point, I'd like to encourage everyone to read Robert Robert Cormack's post https://www.bebee.com/producer/@robert-cormack/students-who-want-safe-spaces-should-avoid-alan-dershowitz-and-my-house

Lisa Gallagher

7 years ago #49

#62
Paul \, have you tried to make a pig sing? LOL, you know I'm just teasing. I love that line of yours, never heard that one before! Well said. Interesting convo about the bears at the Cairo zoo.. I agree, they'd have to have showers and A/C. Or big watering areas they can swim in.

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

7 years ago #48

#32
That's a great line, Pascal Derrien! We need to be vigilant not vigilantes. I think I'll swipe it. (heheheheh)

Mamen 🐝 Delgado

7 years ago #47

#63
That makes a lot of sense...

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

7 years ago #46

#61
Actually, I just asked my mother. It seems that the bears in the Cairo zoo did have showers to keep them cool. Cairo isn't exactly a prime black bear habitat, so the showers make sense. No doubt they are now in some sort of air conditioned​ enclosure.

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

7 years ago #45

#58
True, Sarah Elkins. I used to have a "Whatever doesn't kill me had better start running," mentality. I've mellowed somewhat with age. Now I make sure the injury was intentional first. Even then, I question if it's worth my while to respond. There's an old saying, "You cannot teach a pig to sing. First, it's impossible. Second, you only annoy the pig"

Mamen 🐝 Delgado

7 years ago #44

#57
I would chose the second option!! 😉 Probably a tale book you had in your first 3 years of life, or a tale someone told you. A beautiful memory in any case.

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

7 years ago #43

#56
I wouldn't change them either. Things that happen form us. The actual bullying incident affected me less, I think, than when I went medieval on the poor guy who attacked me ten years later.

Sarah Elkins

7 years ago #42

#51
This is the key, I think: "Still, we should be careful to make sure offense was intended." I'm not easily offended these days. Like you, Paul \, I had some early years of bad treatment that left me marked. Lately, though, I ask myself a few questions before jumping on anything: What was the intention? What was the motivation? Was it to be insulting? If yes, is a response going to fix the problem? If not, I have two choices 1) ask directly to offer an opportunity to clarify, or 2) leave it alone because it wasn't intentional. Being kind is not the same thing as being compliant and eternally agreeable. And the kicker with social media is that here, it is highly unlikely that you will ever convert someone to your way of thinking by commenting on a post. Want to open minds? Have one-to-one authentic conversations.

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

7 years ago #41

#54
LOL, I've never been back to Cairo. I don't even know if the showering bears are real or just the left-overs of a child's imagination/memory.

Harvey Lloyd

7 years ago #40

Unfortunately groupthink bulling has become a part of the society we live. I can identify with your youth story. I didn't grow until I was in my twenties, the poor folks who tested me after that probably got some pent up childhood experiences. I would offer up though that bulling has become an issue, not only the sense of identification, but also in definition. Disagreement can be seen as bulling. I know a bully when I read one. Your suggestions are honorable. Bullies exist just as potholes on the road, do your best to not engage either. Engagement is what they wish. Sorry your youth experience happened, but I know those spaces in my youth brought me to where I am. I wouldn't change them.

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

7 years ago #39

#53
Thanks, Melissa Hughes

Mamen 🐝 Delgado

7 years ago #38

#45
So did I Pablo!!! Hahahaha LOL! We say "cairota" in Spanish but I had no idea how to say it in English so I just looked for it... ☺️ I've been several times in El Cairo (I could stay there and live inside The Egyptian Museum for the rest of my life, I love it!) but I didn't see any bears taking showers although it is a beautiful image. Lucky you!! 🐻🚿

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

7 years ago #37

#49
Thanks for the compliment, Kevin Pashuk. It's impossible to avoid offending anyone. Some people work very hard to find something offensive. If I post the lyrics to "Mary had a Little Lamb," would someone be offended that its fleece was white as snow? What about black sheep? Am I racist? Why Mary? Why not Maria? Why not Billy? What about slushy snow? We can't please everyone, so we may as well please ourselves. The unfollow/mute/block works both ways.

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

7 years ago #36

#50
True, a bully usually operates under the "Look how wonderful I am" doctrine. Making their bullying public works against that. Still, we should be careful to make sure offense was intended.

Kevin Pashuk

7 years ago #35

If I had the 'Stinger' feature right now Paul \ I'd 'sting' this post. There was an article a few year's back by Michael Coren (Canadian Right Wing commentator (Yes we have right wing people in Canada)) who garners his fair share of aggressive replies to his posts. While I don't agree with much of what he espouses, I did appreciate he would get the issues on the table and I like to read people who think differently than I do. Anyway, back to my point. His article (which I have searched for and can't find) talked about the worst kind of commenters. He called them the "IAOs" for the "I AM OFFENDED" which was the phrase that usually proceeded their comments. They were not interested in dialog, discussion or debate, but only getting their anger out. You've addressed these issues so eloquently. Thank you.

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

7 years ago #34

#47
Exactly right, Paul Kearley. take away the soap box and they have no power. But it is still a two-way street on social media. It's very difficult to "accidently" attack someone physically. It's very easy to attack accidently in writing. Maybe we need to grow slightly thicker skin, I don't know. Maybe we should simply ask them to re-state their comment. Maybe we should set the post aside for a bit and return later to see if it still pisses us off. Thoughts?

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

7 years ago #33

#44
I agree with allowing more time to delete. I also see some potential technical issues that would prevent that.I love your use of the word "legacy!" That's exactly what this is.

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

7 years ago #32

#35
Cool, I learned a new word! Yes, Mamen, I am a native of Cairo. I don't remember much of it except the zoo. I have vague memories of bears taking showers. That might just be a dream for all I know.

Jim Murray

7 years ago #31

Excellent stuff Pablo. In a way it kind of clears the air. I do agree that sometimes people end up being cast in the 'bully' light when their intention was far from that. Then it gets exacerbated when someone calls them on it and they mount a defense. I have learned, especially over in the Lumpy Kingdom, that there is a fine line between passion and aggression. And while passion is the preferred state, aggression can often be the perception. So the caution works two ways. Sometimes your passion will cause you to throw together (probably hastily) an aggressive collection of words that some reader may take personally or be offended by philosophically. But before any hostilities ensue, maybe the effort to privately resolve issues would be a good thing to try, before taking it public in a comment and starting a conflagration. The other issue is technical in that, beBee only allows you 30 minutes before your post is permanently part of the landscape, and for better or worse, your legacy. So a good turn on their part would be to allow the ability to delete a post at any time, based on propriety. Sometimes 30 minutes is just enough.

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

7 years ago #30

#38
LOL, sounds like a plan

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

7 years ago #29

#30
True, most offense is unintended. It's still there. It is up to us to make certain we don't give it. Yes, that's easier said than done. It's a question of knowing your audience, of choosing your words accordingly. We can't eliminate all potentially offensive thoughts. Who knows how a particular individual will react at a particular time? We can and must eliminate the more blatant ones.

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

7 years ago #28

#31
Some people take things too far, Chas Wyatt. Frankly, I don't think they intend to cause injury but they do. Words wound. They are my tools and my stock in trade, yet even I accidently hurt at least two people. We're caught in a "Catch-22." We want a loose, free platform for the exchange of ideas. We have that here. BUT, we can't be loose and free at the same time as rigid and controlled. They are polar opposites. Someone once said, "The price of freedom is constant vigilance." That applies here too. WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR OWN FEEDS.

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

7 years ago #27

#36
You do it well, Brian. I have read several of your pieces that can be described as "gruff," but that's just your style. I have never seen anything remotely bully-like from you. You hit the nail on the head. Say what you want, how you want to say it. Let the reader edit his/her feed as they wish. The trick is to control one's passions to NOT force our opinions down anyone's throat. The converse is also true. If we don't like certain opinions, we can mute, block, or unfollow. We have the tools to do just that, with more tools on the way.

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

7 years ago #26

#26
LOL, Ok, David, if you meant it as a compliment that's how I'll take it. I certainly enjoy both their styles and don't mind the comparison in the least. That said, in general, writers hate to be compared to each other. We ALL have a touch of megalomania . It's what keeps us going. (heheheheheh)

Randy Keho

7 years ago #25

With all due respect Paul \, let's step outside ... and share a drink.

Mamen 🐝 Delgado

7 years ago #24

Fully agree Pablo. No word to add... Thank you for your clearness my cairene friend!!
A great summary "It’s up to you whether they succeed or not." thanks Paul
Well said Paul \

Pascal Derrien

7 years ago #21

That will close the loop nicely until the next time like u said bullying can take different shape or form we need to be vigilent but not become vigilante good one Paul \

Phil Friedman

7 years ago #20

Thank you, David Grinberg points out, insult and attack are often in the perception of the beholder. Personally, I think it has a lot to do with trust. I was for a number of years a member of an email-based social and political discussion group of about 100 active participants. The group had members all across the U.S. and Canada, with some in Europe. It included all manner of people, physicians, academics, retired military officers, retired policemen (one a detective who was part of the team that cracked the John Wayne Gacy serial killings case), several former journalists (one a fellow undergrad student of mine who had twice interviewed Richard Nixon one on one and been twice been a finalist for pulitzers), research scientists, aerospace engineers, some trades contractors, lawyers, and various business people, including a couple of professional gamblers. The discussions were wide ranging, and often heated, as the entire political spectrum from the far left to the far right was represented. White, black, hispanic, and all manner of ethnic and religious profiles. Cont. pt II

Phil Friedman

7 years ago #19

Paul \ - Pt II People were passionate, and often threw around admonishments to get one's head out of one's butt or double one's dose of Aricept. But nobody, nobody ever complained that they felt insulted. Why? BECAUSE THEY TRUSTED ONE ANOTHER TO BE THRASHING OUT IDEAS AND OPINIONS, even if occasionally they drop a sarcastic remark here and there. And they could trust, because among other things, they weren't relying on their "profile" in the group to represent them to the rest of the world. In other words, they didn't give two bull chips about how they were made to look to others in the group or not. They were looking to engage intellectually, not to impress other group members. And so did not feel threatened by disagreement. I am not suggesting that could ever be achieved on a large social media platform. I am only describing the situation as an example of how so much depends on how one approaches discussion and potential disagreement. Cheers!

David B. Grinberg

7 years ago #18

Excellent message and advice, Paul \ -- yes, that's a compliment.

Lisa Gallagher

7 years ago #17

#22
I'm so glad John White, MBA did put that message up. As you saw from my buzz yesterday (blog post), I literally took his advice and went for a beautiful hike along the river. When I read his post I felt as though I heard my mom whispering kindly to me.. "Lisa, take his advice, you need a break." It reminded me how much we do need breaks not just from social media but the business of life in general. It reminded me to appreciate what's right there in front of me, the beauty of nature. I had a sense of renewal and I decided last evening to make that much more of a practice.

Lisa Gallagher

7 years ago #16

#23
You grew fast! However, I remember there were a lot of boys that were 5'10 or so by 7th grade and my son was maybe 5'6 (if even?). And your friend sure gained a lot of height, wow! My son grew to be 5'8, but I'm petite and my husband is 5'10. My dad had the tall genes, my kids didn't get them from him lol. Glad to hear your friend finally got to play football at the Unversity level.

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

7 years ago #15

#21
Yeah, it's hard on the shorter ones. I hit my full adult height of 5'9" at 12. By fourteen, I was filled out. A friend of mine was 5'2" at 14 and 6'2" at 17. He was skeletally thin until 19. Then he too filled out. He always loved football but was too slight to play. His first game was for a University team.

Lisa Gallagher

7 years ago #14

#9
Nicely put Franci Eugenia Hoffman. I know you weren't looking for any sympathy but darn, those boys were horrid to you. I can't imagine how that made your mom feel and how scared she must have been when you passed out in her arms. My son was bullied for being much shorter than most the kids his age (it hurt to watch) I think he took your stance once he hit HS Paul. He's a nicely balanced young man today, thank goodness.

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

7 years ago #13

#19
I rarely use it myself. You are quite wise to avoid it Dean-san

Dean Owen

7 years ago #12

#15
It is a tired old phrase Paul-san, but it can have a rather large bite with the possibilities to project sarcasm, condescension, disdain. It can also be used with complete sincerity. Either way, there is a lot of room for misunderstanding so I refrain from using it.

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

7 years ago #11

#10
You did right, Jennifer Schultz. There is no law that says you must follow and connect with everybody. Connect via affinity. Disconnect via lack of same

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

7 years ago #10

#11
Thank, Don Kerr. that means​ a lot coming from you

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

7 years ago #9

#12
Than you, DILMA BALBI

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

7 years ago #8

#13
LOL, let's analyse that. With all due respect means with whatever respect is due. It has no quantitative component. If the amount of respect it is due is on a par with that reserved for toilet paper, that is all it is due. It's a meaningless, tired old phrase that has little purpose other than social lube.

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

7 years ago #7

#9
Be as wordy as you like, Franci. It ain't MY dime it belongs to us all.

Dean Owen

7 years ago #6

I'm not even religious and I want to say AMEN! Paul-san, excellent stuff. Just one question. How do you feel about people starting a sentence "With all due respect"? I think this phrase has been a small part of the problem when it was used in sincerity, but taken as condescending.

don kerr

7 years ago #5

Can I get an AMEN? Thanks Paul \

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

7 years ago #4

#7
Thank you, Vincent

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

7 years ago #3

#5
Yup, Cairo-born Catholic who came to Canada in '62. I think we were headed for Brisbane. We stopped to visit family here and never left.

Paul "Pablo" Croubalian

7 years ago #2

#1
Thanks, Lisa Gallagher

Lisa Gallagher

7 years ago #1

Well written article by Paul \

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