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Blockchain and Contrarians...

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RawLately I've been investing some time to understand Blockchain — what it is and what it isn't; how it works and what does it mean for the future; should I get involved with it or stay a million miles away. As part of my process I wanted to blog about it for a number of reasons: 
  • Help galvanize my thinking and understanding of Blockchain.
  • Work on my language so I could clearly articulate my thinking about Blockchain.
  • Stimulate discussion and feedback on the topic to help with my thinking.


And for my efforts my friend Phil Friedman posted a blog entitled, "Some important truths about cryptocurrencies". To my surprise (and great appreciation) Phil dedicated his post to me.

This piece was inspired by Graham Edwards, who may or may not agree with what I've said here, but who is always, as I see it, an authentic contrarian and more than willing to explore concepts and ideas openly and honestly. Thank you, Grahamfor being a good sport.


I suppose this blog is a bait and switch because I don't really want to discuss Blockchain technology but re-enforce something much more important — the value of the Contrarian. Phil's dedication wasn't just a great compliment but an important reminder about what is needed to drive better understanding (as well as better decision-making).

con·trar·i·an [kənˈtre(ə)rēən] NOUN — a person who opposes or rejects popular opinion  ADJECTIVE — opposing or rejecting popular opinion; going against current practice or thinking:


There is a Truism that says if you want to make a good decision you really have to understand the situation. And to really understand a situation you have to look at it from as many perspectives as possible — and ask questions you probably haven't even thought of. As Phil says, "...explore concepts and ideas openly and honestly." 


I view the contrarian as a facilitator —

  • They help prevent groupthink.
  • They push back to ensure there is a discussion.
  • They ask the questions that may not get asked (for many reasons)
  • They offer a different perspective
  • They ask the question, "Why is that person running in the opposite direction? What does she know that we don't"
  • They know it's easier to agree — although they also know it doesn't really serve the discussion.


Contrarians are crucial for developing better understanding and better answers — and yes, maybe we can be a pain in the ass sometimes (but it's for your own good).

I suppose since Phil was nice enough to dedicate his blog to me I should use it to help with my continued understanding of Blockchain and it's partner in crime, cryptocurrency. In his blog, Phil had identified five cryptocurrency truths —

Truth #1: Crypto-currencies do not have any intrinsic value. Whatever value they have to an owner depends entirely on someone else wanting to buy them. Therefore, investing in such currencies amounts to nothing other than gambling on rising demand, whether that demand is rational or irrational.

I totally agree. As an intrinsic value investor myself I would never invest in any currency for that matter. If you can't calculate it's intrinsic value you simply can't determine if you are buying too high or too low. It's why Warren Buffet has very little interest in cryptocurrency (and my portfolio manager for that matter).


Truth #2No single crypto-currency held by an investor will ever appreciate in "value" as long as the issuer of that currency continues to sell the currency at the same price or lower than that paid by the investor in question.

I also agree... in theory. In reality many markets are inefficient and allow for arbitrage opportunities. I was shocked when someone said they make $7,000 per month with retail arbitrage — they buy product on Craig's list and then turn around and sell it on eBay for a higher price.  


Truth #3: You cannot rely on the advice about investing in crypto-currencies from anyone who has already invested in them.

I agree. For me it's like the person who enthusiastically offers a "stock tip. I do believe they can offer insight as to how the "crypto-currency" ecosystem works, but I'm not taking investment advice from them.


Truth #4: Decentralized blockchain-based data-keeping was originally associated with Bitcoin crypto-currency as a means for imbuing the system with perceived credibility. 

This is where I think Phil and I look at Blockchain differently and maybe it's my issue over the term "perceived credibility". My understanding is because of blockchain the "double spend dilemma" was eliminated. And because of this, internet currency could be created without the concern of it being copied 1,000,000,000,000 times. Blockchain has created a "credible internet currency" — now what that currency value is, well that's another discussion. And although I agree crypto-currency doesn't have any intrinsic value, I do believe it can have associated value with whatever ecosystem it is part of. Much like paper money. 

And this is what excites me — something of value can now be created for our efforts in Internet ecosystems. 


Truth #5: Investing and trading in crypto-currencies is a zero-sum game.

All I can say is there will be many people that make money and there will be many people who lose money. What I can also say is cryptocurrency isn't going away anytime soon.


Again thanks to Phil for dedicating his blog post to me; thanks even more for your thoughts, perspectives, and way of thinking. It's the only way for me to better understand.

So is the way of the Contrarian. 

iamgpe


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Comments

Randall Burns

6 years ago #29

#33
LMAO! Well that is a conundrum isn't it?

Jerry Fletcher

6 years ago #28

#31
Agree. the technology can exist without Crypto Currency. The real question then becomes how can you monetize it? Or should we even care?

Graham🐝 Edwards

6 years ago #27

#22
Thanks Randall Burns... as a Contrarian I agree. : )

Graham🐝 Edwards

6 years ago #26

#18
Thanks for the comment Kevin Baker... I agree, control is an illusion

Graham🐝 Edwards

6 years ago #25

#14
Hi Jerry Fletcher This is my understanding (and I may be wrong) — you can have blockchain technology without cryptocurrency but can't have cryptocurrency without blockchain. It is the blockchain that prevents the currency from just being randomly copied (analogous to counterfeiting paper money). The miners of Bitcoin have to put it on a Blockchain to make it worth anything. However you could use blockchain to secure information (that then can't be changed without knowing) i.e. personal information. This doesn't have to involve a currency of any sort. This is my take

Graham🐝 Edwards

6 years ago #24

#11
Sadly Harvey Lloyd I didn't start gaining any wisdom until my 50's... and that's even debatable.

Graham🐝 Edwards

6 years ago #23

#8
Thx ... I agree with your take on ICO's and it definitely means if someone wants to get involved they need to do a lot of investigation. Then again I would say the same if you want to get involved with an IPO — The Vancouver stock exchange (a while back, and now much better and under a new name) was full of junk and worthless misleading companies — I portfolio manager I know made millions selling short on it. Fundamentally I think you need to do your research if you are going to invest or speculate your money.

Graham🐝 Edwards

6 years ago #22

#7
Thanks for the Phil Friedman and I are getting t-shirts that will say — "Contrarians unite... wait, you can't do that"... lol My feeling is you need the crypto only if blockchain technology is used in a decentralized way... it fuels the "ecosystem"

Graham🐝 Edwards

6 years ago #21

#6
Thanks for the comment Harvey Lloyd... I agree you don't invest in crypto (impossible to value) ... you speculate. I sense there is an awful lot of cryptocurrency day traders out there... some of them may actually have a reproducible system of success.

Graham🐝 Edwards

6 years ago #20

#5
Hi Phil Friedman... I can't speak for Javier so I will let him explain... All I know is ICO's are a new way of raising money and a cousin of crowd funding — it definitely is challenging traditional methods of raising money through institutions and bringing back the small investor. this is about all I know about raising money.... lol

Graham🐝 Edwards

6 years ago #19

#4
Hey Phil Friedman, we actually agree quiet a lot (which makes it hard for a contrarian). Mark my words, because of blockchain and the slow evolution back to city states (in some cases) we will see city cryptocurrency. But again, I'm a lousy futurist.

Graham🐝 Edwards

6 years ago #18

#3
Thanks for the question Hector Fong. All I can do is offer two responses... 1) speculate, not invest and 2) if you have to ask I would say no....

Graham🐝 Edwards

6 years ago #17

#2
You are two kind Javier \ud83d\udc1d beBee... I still think "I sorta get it" thanks for the links

Randall Burns

6 years ago #16

"Contrarian" and/or "Devil's Advocate"? Either/or it is a an integral/important niche needed to be filled, (I don't mind "going against the flow")

Jerry Fletcher

6 years ago #15

#17
Phil, And so it goes...

Jerry Fletcher

6 years ago #14

#16
Mark, I'll do that and a few other things.

Jerry Fletcher

6 years ago #13

#15
Chris, Hope springs eternal. I'm going to keep on looking.

Phil Friedman

6 years ago #12

#14
Jerry Fletcher, my observations have mostly to do with crypto-mania, and only peripherally with blockchain. But as far as I can see, the magical black box that is blockchain is being used by crypto-entrepreneurs to give the appearance that there is something to their ICOs other than smoke and mirrors. No doubt, some fortunes will be made in crypto currency speculation — and some will be lost. And the real question amounts only to who will be sitting in a chair when the music stops. As to why some want to associate payment for intellectual property with crypto-currency, that is obvious: It is always easier and more profitable to pay for such things with company scrip or Monopoly money, than with legal tender. Cheers!

Mark Morris

6 years ago #11

#14
@Jerry Fletcher Try doing a search for blockchain copyright (or some other issue subbed for copyright).

Jerry Fletcher

6 years ago #10

Once again the question of how block chain can be used without a crypto currency being involved has been asked. I haven't seen any answers (and I've been looking) Is it possible that the folks developing the technology don't understand how art and Intellectual property of any kind can increase in value without being locked to a particular currency? Are they so insecure that the value must be calculated in their currency?

Harvey Lloyd

6 years ago #9

#12
I believe we are on the same page Oppositional Defiance Disorder or ODD is what you describe. My main point was to include a methodology that can be understood by the reader listener to determine the difference between the two. Wisdom is often seen as contrary. If you are unable to make the point within the paradigm of wisdom, you can become contrarian in maintaining a position. Even though wisdom was used and the perception could not be changed the potency of the argument within the group or thread is lost.

Phil Friedman

6 years ago #8

#11
FWIW Harvey, personally, I believe there is a huge difference between being contrary and being a Contrarian. The former manifests itself as taking an opposite position simply for the sake of being distinguished and without any substantial underlying belief. Someone who is contrary will assert B if you say A. And if you swtch to B, that person will shift to A. Some psychologists identify it as “oppositional personality”. However, the latter involves exemplifying a questioning attitude, especially when crowd-based belief and pressure is burgeoning — a willingness, I submit, to stand one’s ground in the service of clarity if thought and in the face of the pressure if the crowd. IMO. Cheers!

Harvey Lloyd

6 years ago #7

#9
There is a huge difference between contrarian and wisdom. Those who introduce wisdom offer us an opportunity to broaden a discussion to include the layers we have not considered. Being contrary IMHO is the opportunist who can stand out in a crowd. This is the existential part of the contrarian position. I believe within our intrinsic wisdom we need to play the contrarian position. But once plaid in our head we need to wisely introduce the various concepts surrounding the discussion. From the outside wisdom can take the form of a contrarian view. The way to tell if this is what is actaully happening is to measure the motive for the position. Any position that is serving the goal no matter how viewed should be seen as a diverse view. If the position is self or department serving then we can attribute it being contrary.

Pascal Derrien

6 years ago #6

Contrarians sometimes have an unjustified reputation I think not only they are essential but they are critical to any decent two way discussion it does not mean they are always right but they keep everybody in a debate on their toes :-) They make the people they are debating with better

Harvey Lloyd

6 years ago #5

I believe crypto currencies will shake out and eventually find a path. If we are talking about the start up investment of crypto currencies then you have to look at much differently. Any investment has to be understood. I play the stock market and understand rudimentary investment strategies, indicators and a very basic understanding of market moving economics. The ever changing "investment" of blockchain and crypto currency is not available to monitor with out a great investment of time. I find it interesting but will set this one out. It may be useful in transactions at some point, but as an investment not for me. But on a side note, as stated before. Middle people provide a service within transactions. This service doesn't go away because of blockchain. Secondarily the value of the service still exists both as an expense and margin. Blockchain seems to me to be just another way to perform the middle services and will exact some fee for service.

Phil Friedman

6 years ago #4

#2
As an aside, Graham\ud83d\udc1d Edwards means when he says below that, "ICOs Delivered At Least 3.5x More Capital Than VC Since 2017" Do you think he means capital delivered to start-ups and entrepreneurs? If so, unless I am running a start-up or seeking capital for some other entrepreneurial reason, why the hell would I care how much capital ICOs delivered. Certainly, as an investor/speculator in crypto-currency, I wouldn't. Rather, what I would care about is growing demand -- because it is growing demand that fuels price increases, hence trading profits. I wouldn't dispute that ICOs delivered more capital to entrepreneurs in 2017 than did Venture Capitalists. Probably because the ICOs play on the lure of potential fast profits (get in early and quickly trade out). rather than having to wait for an enterprise in which one invests to start turning a profit. The statement seems to me to conflate the objectives of an entrepreneur seeking to raise capital with the objectives of an investor or speculator or Venture Capitalist seeking a profit from his or her investment. IMO. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

6 years ago #3

Thank you, Graham\ud83d\udc1d Edwards, for the counter-callout in this excellent piece. The interesting thing is that I think we actually agree on all the points laid out as #1 thru #5 in both my piece and yours. You seem to think that perhaps we disagree on #4, but I think not really. For eliminating the "double-spend dilemma" is part of imbuing the system with "perceived credibility". And I say perceived because several crypto-currency black hacks militate against the view that all is 100% okay in Mudville. On the other hand, I have to take issue when you say, "... although I agree crypto-currency doesn't have any intrinsic value, I do believe it can have associated value with whatever ecosystem it is part of. Much like paper money." Crypto-currencies may be much like paper money, but if so, they are much more like Monopoly money or company script than Fiat currency. Indeed, they are nothing like Fiat currency because, unlike in the case of Fiat currency, nobody is legally obliged to accept crypto-currency in satisfaction of a debt or in payment for real goods and services. You might be able to earn Ponzitos in the Game-O-Dollars ecosystem, but what the hell are you going to do with them? You might make out if there are others out there who want them and will pay for them in .... what? US$ or CD$ ? Money of any kind only has underlying value if you can use it to buy real goods and services. Otherwise, the transaction involving it are a form of legalized gaming with no way to cash out your chips. IMO. Cheers!
You got it ! " because of blockchain the "double spend dilemma" was eliminated. And because of this, internet currency could be created without the concern of it being copied 1,000,000,000,000 times. Blockchain has created a "credible internet currency" — now what that currency value is, well that's another discussion. And although I agree crypto-currency doesn't have any intrinsic value, I do believe it can have associated value with whatever ecosystem it is part of. Much like paper money. " Some more nice food for you: ICOs Delivered At Least 3.5x More Capital Than VC Since 2017 https://www.bebee.com/producer/@javierbebee/icos-delivered-at-least-3-5x-more-capital-than-vc-since-2017 Is Ethereum Getting Ready For Mass Adoption? by Pascal Thellmann https://www.bebee.com/producer/@javierbebee/is-ethereum-getting-ready-for-mass-adoption-by-pascal-thellmann Billions of money are being invested on APPs and platforms that will be using the Ethereum Blockchain. Profede is one of them ! Profede is much more than an APP or a PLATFORM, it is a protocol www.profede.com

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